Paul Noah asked that the following be posted from him and the letter Frank Knutson wrote him about his hopes for the July Archives Sojourn 2023: I knew Frank "Most Holy One” Knutson. We worked with others on collecting and presenting the archives of the ICA. While “tongue in cheek" was an operating principle of his constant humility he was very clear about the emerging task of the archive team. Here is an email from Frank May 24, 2023: Some reflections on our conversation yesterday about the Archives. As we talked about where the weight of the archives needed to be—the story of How it All Came About. If I were to put weight on our story, it would look like this; 50% Christian Faith and Life Community (CF&LC <>), 25% Order Ecumenical (O:E), 12.5% each, Ecumenical Institute (EI) & Institute of Cultural Affairs (ICA). CF&LC began with the audacious objective to Renew the Church of Jesus Christ as Mission to the World. (Period). If they had stopped there and set out they would of failed. So the task was broken down to three stratagies—Contextual Re-Education, Structural Re-Formulation and Spiritual Re-Motivation. Genius. Now the task was doable—create structures, programs and methods to accomplish renewal. From these three strategies came; RS!, Imaginal Education, crucial methods, gridding, story/song/symbol, basis for the Academy, start of the Order—the basis for all that followed. The list goes on. We reached far back into history to the ancient church and religious orders gleaning strengths and weaknesses, adapting and updating to 20th century understandings those elements that provided historical contnuity. Brought down from the 'heavens' the primary symbols of the church—God, Jesus, Holy Sprit, humanizing and grounding them in everyday life. Probably our greatest gift. We are experiencing the last throws of the old time religion grounded in the second story universe—Mega churches, C.I.N.O. (Christians In Name Only), Evangelical movements, etc. The creation of our Commonness; rituals, songs, symbols, methods, structures, Religious Houses, is the basis for our successes This is the story to be told. The creation of HDPs, TMs, Social Process, NRMs, etc. are all secondary to the story of what it takes to create the programs necessary to the times. The two weeks this July would be well spent in writing the compelling story of How it All Came About. Frank
Dear Colleagues, Many months ago, I consulted with you about my partner, Mary Farrar and I making a Kierkegaard Pilgrimage in July ‘23 to Copenhagen. With Michael May as my primary accountability in completing my reflection, I offer it to you in humility, gratitude, and compassion. I am also grateful for the input of Alan Richard (Realistic Living), Beret Hansen, Jo Nelson, Gene Marshall, and David Dunn. I am grateful for the response of Christina Clark. I am ultimately utterly obligated, dependent, and grateful for our time in the O:E, and our JWM, SK heritage. Let me tell you now, that this is sexually explicit. Ken  Ken Fisher 1070 Elizabeth Street - Box 75 Sharbot Lake ON K0H 2P0 Canada 613.203.0180 kenfisher1942@gmail.com Ken Fisher @KandPtrail
Dear Ken: Thank you for sharing y'alls reflection. I will respond in detail as soon as possible. Peace, Don On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 8:30 PM Ken Fisher via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many months ago, I consulted with you about my partner, Mary Farrar and I making a Kierkegaard Pilgrimage in July ‘23 to Copenhagen.
With Michael May as my primary accountability in completing my reflection, I offer it to you in humility, gratitude, and compassion.
I am also grateful for the input of Alan Richard (Realistic Living), Beret Hansen, Jo Nelson, Gene Marshall, and David Dunn.
I am grateful for the response of Christina Clark.
I am ultimately utterly obligated, dependent, and grateful for our time in the O:E, and our JWM, SK heritage.
Let me tell you now, that this is sexually explicit.
Ken
Ken Fisher 1070 Elizabeth Street - Box 75 Sharbot Lake ON K0H 2P0 Canada 613.203.0180 kenfisher1942@gmail.com Ken Fisher @KandPtrail
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Ken and Mary … I have been noticing your journey on facebook. Good on you! I finally got round to reading Ken’s report on your journey to Denmark and dear Soren and all. Much, if not all of his writing goes over my head. There are a couple of sentences that stick with me — the one about the self is a relation… is one of them. I ran across a research finding a while ago that may be related. It reported a study finding that men who reported having sex recently were more likely to report believing in God. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806564/amp/Having-sex-makes-men-li... Not sure if this fits, thought I would share Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:30 PM, Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many months ago, I consulted with you about my partner, Mary Farrar and I making a Kierkegaard Pilgrimage in July ‘23 to Copenhagen.
With Michael May as my primary accountability in completing my reflection, I offer it to you in humility, gratitude, and compassion.
I am also grateful for the input of Alan Richard (Realistic Living), Beret Hansen, Jo Nelson, Gene Marshall, and David Dunn.
I am grateful for the response of Christina Clark.
I am ultimately utterly obligated, dependent, and grateful for our time in the O:E, and our JWM, SK heritage.
Let me tell you now, that this is sexually explicit.
Ken
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Dear Jim, Thanks for this reply. ‘Where angels fear to tread.' In birth and in death, carnality is still tinged with the sacred, as in the birth myth of Jesus, and in his bodily death; as in the birth of a new family member and the death of an elder. In our cohort, this is nearly all of our ’news’. How to re-sacralize human love is challenging these days. Given the craziness of much of social media, (dating through TikTok) and the reams of sexist ads that went with the Daily Mail's brief report on the ‘love hormone’ oxytocin, where is 'the sacred’ expressed? Body hatred and sex-ploitation abound. This is an even more de-humanizing Victorianism. In the context of our approaching deaths, that Mary and I are having the best sex of our lives, seems too extraordinary not to share with our family and friends. Who knew? We did not. We want to address the reclamation of one’s body, and every body as sacred. The eleven-week 20,000 death count of mostly Palestinian women and children, a number that is one third of all the Canadian casualties of the five years of WWII, is also a statement of our humanity’s tragedy. Eros and Thanatos is ever our nature. Here’s to 'the peace that passeth understanding’. Ken & Mary
On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ken and Mary …
I have been noticing your journey on facebook. Good on you! I finally got round to reading Ken’s report on your journey to Denmark and dear Soren and all. Much, if not all of his writing goes over my head. There are a couple of sentences that stick with me — the one about the self is a relation… is one of them.
I ran across a research finding a while ago that may be related. It reported a study finding that men who reported having sex recently were more likely to report believing in God. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806564/amp/Having-sex-makes-men-li...
Not sure if this fits, thought I would share Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:30 PM, Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many months ago, I consulted with you about my partner, Mary Farrar and I making a Kierkegaard Pilgrimage in July ‘23 to Copenhagen.
With Michael May as my primary accountability in completing my reflection, I offer it to you in humility, gratitude, and compassion.
I am also grateful for the input of Alan Richard (Realistic Living), Beret Hansen, Jo Nelson, Gene Marshall, and David Dunn.
I am grateful for the response of Christina Clark.
I am ultimately utterly obligated, dependent, and grateful for our time in the O:E, and our JWM, SK heritage.
Let me tell you now, that this is sexually explicit.
Ken
<23-07 Ken's Kierkegaard Pilgrimage e.pdf>
Ken Fisher 1070 Elizabeth Street - Box 75 Sharbot Lake ON K0H 2P0 Canada 613.203.0180 kenfisher1942@gmail.com Ken Fisher @KandPtrail
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And Joseph Campbell throws in his two cents: “Anything that can be said or thought of God is, as it were, a screen between us and God. If we take it literally, absolutely, we are in a way short-circuiting our own experience of an ultimately ineffable mystery, something that cannot be talked about.Half of the people in the world think the reference of a metaphor is a fact. The other half of the world knows that it's a lie. So we have people who believe in God as a fact and people who believe that he's not a fact: theists and atheists.The real position is to realize that the word God is metaphorical of a mystery, and the mystery is absolutely beyond all human comprehension. The first thing to know when you're dealing with these symbolic forms is that the ultimate reference is beyond all categories of human thought.”- Joseph Campbell Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 06:49:28 AM MST, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Jim, Thanks for this reply. ‘Where angels fear to tread.' In birth and in death, carnality is still tinged with the sacred, as in the birth myth of Jesus, and in his bodily death; as in the birth of a new family member and the death of an elder. In our cohort, this is nearly all of our ’news’. How to re-sacralize human love is challenging these days. Given the craziness of much of social media, (dating through TikTok) and the reams of sexist ads that went with the Daily Mail's brief report on the ‘love hormone’ oxytocin, where is 'the sacred’ expressed? Body hatred and sex-ploitation abound. This is an even more de-humanizing Victorianism. In the context of our approaching deaths, that Mary and I are having the best sex of our lives, seems too extraordinary not to share with our family and friends. Who knew? We did not. We want to address the reclamation of one’s body, and every body as sacred. The eleven-week 20,000 death count of mostly Palestinian women and children, a number that is one third of all the Canadian casualties of the five years of WWII, is also a statement of our humanity’s tragedy. Eros and Thanatos is ever our nature. Here’s to 'the peace that passeth understanding’. Ken & Mary On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:05 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote: Ken and Mary … I have been noticing your journey on facebook. Good on you! I finally got round to reading Ken’s report on your journey to Denmark and dear Soren and all. Much, if not all of his writing goes over my head. There are a couple of sentences that stick with me — the one about the self is a relation… is one of them. I ran across a research finding a while ago that may be related. It reported a study finding that men who reported having sex recently were more likely to report believing in God. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806564/amp/Having-sex-makes-men-li... Not sure if this fits, thought I would share Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:30 PM, Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Colleagues, Many months ago, I consulted with you about my partner, Mary Farrar and I making a Kierkegaard Pilgrimage in July ‘23 to Copenhagen. With Michael May as my primary accountability in completing my reflection, I offer it to you in humility, gratitude, and compassion. I am also grateful for the input of Alan Richard (Realistic Living), Beret Hansen, Jo Nelson, Gene Marshall, and David Dunn. I am grateful for the response of Christina Clark. I am ultimately utterly obligated, dependent, and grateful for our time in the O:E, and our JWM, SK heritage. Let me tell you now, that this is sexually explicit. Ken <23-07 Ken's Kierkegaard Pilgrimage e.pdf> Ken Fisher1070 Elizabeth Street - Box 75Sharbot Lake ON K0H 2P0Canada613.203.0180kenfisher1942@gmail.comKen Fisher @KandPtrail _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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