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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A more serious response. The law prohibits private individuals assaulting officers of the law at a different level than private individuals assaulting other private individuals. However, the use of ‘unreasonable’ force by law officers also has a higher standard than that required of private persons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Law enforcement officers are often held to a different standard for using force than ordinary citizens due to their professional duty to protect the public and enforce the law. This distinction arises from differences in legal protections, responsibility, training, and the circumstances under which they are authorized to use force. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:21.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The "reasonable officer" standard vs. the "reasonable person" standard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>When evaluating the use of force, courts apply different legal standards to police and citizens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For citizens, the "reasonable person" standard is used, which assesses whether a typical individual would have reasonably feared for their life or safety and acted in self-defense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For police officers, the standard is "objective reasonableness," judged from the perspective of a "reasonable officer on the scene". This standard accounts for the fact that officers must make split-second decisions in tense and rapidly evolving situations. The Supreme Court established this standard in the 1989 case Graham v. Connor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>That is why the death or injury of private persons caused by law enforcement officers finds a higher response.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Fertig via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 7, 2025 2:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Susan Fertig <sfertig@blueskytech.us><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It is chaos, for sure. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Did you read the many reports of frozen water bottles, spit, feces etc. being lobbed at ICE and police?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'>Susan<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#080808'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'>Susan Fertig-Dykes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus'>And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Judi White via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2025 12:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Judi White <<a href="mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com">judiwhite070@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1760473173000000&usg=AOvVaw39HIg7z8LN93VwCmZL0R-o">https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 6, 2025, 6:59 PM Susan Fertig via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I can’t tell you how disappointed I am to read these words.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ICE “invading”????</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“Portecting” the Kemper Bldg if “it” happens???</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“Warrant” to be shown???</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Our “security profile”???</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You folks have really gone off the deep edge.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'>Susan</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#080808'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'>Susan Fertig-Dykes</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus'>And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Terry Bergdall via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 06, 2025 6:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Terry Bergdall <<a href="mailto:bergdall2@gmail.com" target="_blank">bergdall2@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <<a href="mailto:lshowers@ica-usa.org" target="_blank">lshowers@ica-usa.org</a>>, if anyone should wish to contact her directly.<br><br>Terry Bergdall <br><br>On Oct 5, 2025, at 15:40, W. J. via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>> What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us?<br>> Just wondering what our security profile is.<br>> Marshall</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=3000 height=4000 style='width:31.25in;height:41.6666in' id="m_-1114648823718427868Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01DC37A4.144C9640"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net&source=gmail-imap&ust=1760473173000000&usg=AOvVaw2fqJLXVsMK5YRWhJ7a4rXm" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net&source=gmail-imap&ust=1760473173000000&usg=AOvVaw2fqJLXVsMK5YRWhJ7a4rXm" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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