<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Bill, that’s a good question, and my answer is, probably not. So maybe the difference is whether the “thing” — organization, movement, community or whatever — acknowledges the collateral damage it causes, tries to stop it or at least minimize it, and then how it talks about, i.e., the story it tells about it, to itself and to others. And finally, how the story stacks up against the truth. If it doesn’t, then my guess is, the “thing” has some issues. Two examples I would use are the loss of credibility the Catholic Church has experienced over its denial of the sexual abuse, and the fact that the MAGA movement, if that’s what it is, is largely based on a lie and therefore has never had any credibility to lose outside its own adherents. What all this says about or has to do with the O:E, EI, ICA is something to ponder.</div><div dir="ltr">Randy Williams</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 28, 2025, at 3:50 PM, William Schlesinger via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>Is there anything that doesn't do collateral damage?</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Bill Schlesinger</div><div>Project Vida</div><div>3607 Rivera Avenue</div><div>El Paso, TX 79905</div><div>(915) 490-6148 Cell</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 1:42 PM David Marshall via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Former Order: Ecumenical & Ecumencal Institute Colleagues,</div><div><br></div><div>Early IRON BOY readers (paperback & ebook published on Amazon on 6/15/25) have asked me about this. In response, I <span style="white-space:pre-wrap">just published my CULTS article on Substack. I imagine this will rub some folks on both sides of the aisle the wrong way, but it's my truth. It's too long (five pages) to publish here or on Facebook, so if you read it and have comments, you can either do so on Substack or on this more private thread. Thank you.</span><div><Instagram-Cults-Image_6-28-25.jpg></div><br><p></p><p dir="ltr"><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/marshallbooks/p/can-cults-still-do-good-work?r=23ftwm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false" dir="ltr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">https://open.substack.com/pub/marshallbooks/p/can-cults-still-do-good-work?r=23ftwm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false</span></a></p>
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