<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><body><div class="ydp6bdc6220yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">SO . . .looks like no one has a recording of "The Mys'try is Everywhere" Would anyone be willing to SING it on zoom while I record?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">SO . . . 2 people responded that we did indeed encounter / (re) discover /map the other world (the phenomena of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquility) in the midst of "this world". </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">ANYONE ELSE??</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">As to Bud's question, see below some interweaving.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-size: 13px;"><rev.bud@mac.com> wrote:</span></div></div><div id="ydp5fbe1f42yahoo_quoted_4725343228" class="ydp5fbe1f42yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">
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<div style=""><div id="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622" style=""><div style=""><font color="#26282a">Let me be clearer, if I can, of what I’m asking, which is in reference to Jim Wiegel’s question: "Did we actually encounter/(re)discover the other world in the midst of this world (the realities of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquillity as present in our lives and world) or did we just say that?”</font><div style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font color="#26282a">I’m aware of a lot concerning the beginnings of the Order. </font><a href="https://youtu.be/TmUQj4_wKtE?si=ra_czWIN1uUzTsv9" class="enhancr_card_5015285043" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);">Jack Lewis hiring Joe Matthews</a><font color="#26282a"> to be an extraordinary lecturer for the Christian Faith and Life Community in Austin. The development of RSI around a Christian existentialism based on Bultmann, Tillich, and Bonhoeffer in the early 1950s. </font><font color="#9c005c"> I think you should include H. Richard Niebuhr . . .</font></div><div style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></div><div id="ydp8de7ee8fenhancr_card_5015285043" class="ydp8de7ee8fyahoo-link-enhancr-card ydp8de7ee8fymail-preserve-class ydp8de7ee8fymail-preserve-style" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); max-width: 400px; font-family: YahooSans VF, YahooSans, OpenSans VF, OpenSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; position: relative;" data-url="https://youtu.be/TmUQj4_wKtE?si=ra_czWIN1uUzTsv9" data-embed-url="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TmUQj4_wKtE?feature=oembed" data-type="YENHANCER" data-size="MEDIUM" contenteditable="false"><a href="https://youtu.be/TmUQj4_wKtE?si=ra_czWIN1uUzTsv9" style="text-decoration:none !important;color:#000 !important" class="ydp8de7ee8fyahoo-enhancr-cardlink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" class="ydp8de7ee8fcard-wrapper ydp8de7ee8fyahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px"><tbody><tr><td width="400"><table border="0" class="ydp8de7ee8fcard ydp8de7ee8fyahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224, 228, 233);border-radius:2px"><tbody><tr><td class="ydp8de7ee8fcard-primary-image-cell" background="https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/tWEtmwTwGkAGmRjJzf3a9g--/Zmk9ZmlsbDt3PTQwMDtoPTIwMDthcHBpZD1pZXh0cmFjdA--/https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TmUQj4_wKtE/hqdefault.jpg.cf.jpg" bgcolor="#000000" valign="top" height="175" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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line-height: 19px; margin: 0px 0px 6px; font-family: YahooSans VF, YahooSans, OpenSans VF, OpenSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(29, 34, 40); max-width: 314px;">31 Joe Slicker In '62 We Got Run out of Austin</h2><p class="ydp6f94f169card-description" style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(151, 158, 168);"></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a><div class="loadingSpinnerContainer" style="position: absolute; top: 0px; width: 100%; height: 100%; display: flex; align-items: center; justify-content: center; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.3);"><div class="D_F F_n gl_C ab_C H_6MGW o_h"><div class="W_6MGW H_6MGW D_X ah_1PEzoz" data-test-id="loading_indicator"><svg class="W_6MGW H_6MGW ah_Zq6hUs" viewBox="0 0 24 24" width="24" height="24"><path class="cdPFi_n cZ13pKbK_Z29WjXl cZ1XO2Ji_dRA c2abBOT_EY cZ1vNhDV_rd cZV8aCd_pI ah_14s73" d="M12,22C6.477,22,2,17.523,2,12S6.477,2,12,2"></path><path class="cdPFi_n cZ13pKbK_Z29WjXl cZ1XO2Ji_dRA c2abBOT_EY cZ1vNhDV_rd cZV8aCd_pI ah_14s73" d="M12,2c5.523,0,10,4.477,10,10s-4.477,10-10,10"></path></svg></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);">This was not a discontinuation of dependence upon an existentialist theology. Though the Order shunned Gene Marshall, he did not shun the thought of Bultmann, Tillich, and Bonhoeffer. I reference his writings where he develops their thought (https://www.realisticliving.org/koob/GreatParagraphs/)<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none" id="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>It is even clearer his continued reliance on existentialism in his lecture on Consciousness:</div><div>(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2d5zZB1e5A&t=403s)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>But I lost contact with the Order and its thought basis after the ’turn to the world'. Was there further theological reflection beyond existentialism? If so, what form did it take?</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I don't really know enough theology or philosophy in a formal or academic sense to answer your question. Here are some possibilities.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">What about this little talk about <a href="https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/comd/100012.htm" class="enhancr_card_4694694916">"The Barefoot Jesus"</a> </div><div><br></div><div id="ydpa97a06deenhancr_card_4694694916" class="ydpa97a06deyahoo-link-enhancr-card ydpa97a06deyahoo-link-enhancr-not-allow-cover ydpa97a06deymail-preserve-class ydpa97a06deymail-preserve-style" style="max-width:400px;font-family:YahooSans VF, YahooSans, OpenSans VF, OpenSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" data-url="https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/comd/100012.htm" data-type="YENHANCER" data-size="MEDIUM" contenteditable="false"><a href="https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/comd/100012.htm" style="text-decoration:none !important;color:#000 !important" class="ydpa97a06deyahoo-enhancr-cardlink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" class="ydpa97a06decard-wrapper ydpa97a06deyahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px"><tbody><tr><td width="400"><table border="0" class="ydpa97a06decard ydpa97a06deyahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224, 228, 233);border-radius:2px"><tbody><tr><td><table border="0" class="ydpa97a06decard-info ydpa97a06deyahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:#fff;position:relative;z-index:2;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0 0 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224, 228, 233)"><tbody><tr><td style="background-color:#ffffff;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0 0 0 2px"></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:YahooSans VF, YahooSans, OpenSans VF, OpenSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;border-radius:0 0 2px 0"><h2 class="ydpa97a06decard-title" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px; margin: 0px 0px 6px; font-family: YahooSans VF, YahooSans, OpenSans VF, OpenSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(29, 34, 40); max-width: 314px;">Untitled</h2><p class="ydpa97a06decard-description" style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(151, 158, 168);"></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I also attach a paper attributed to John Epps "The Jesus Principle" that may be helpful.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Peace,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Bud</div><div id="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt19637" class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt4977037665"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 12 Apr 2025, at 16:34, James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622Apple-interchange-newline"><div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt12736" class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt4977037665" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div><div>Bud asked ( and Jim dodged) this question: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Anyone??</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am still hoping for a recording of “The Mys’try is Everywhere”</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Anyone?</div><div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Jim Wiegel</span><br clear="none"><div><p class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622p1"><span class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622s1">“…the long work<br clear="none">
of turning their lives<br clear="none">
into a celebration<br clear="none">
is not easy. Come </span><span style="font-size: 19pt;">and let us talk</span><span style="font-size: 19pt;">“. </span></p><p class="ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622p1"><span style="font-size: 19pt;">The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:15 AM, rev.bud@mac.com wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">"How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"</div></blockquote></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
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