<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thanks for all that, Don. No source for the specific quote, but some broad substance on the notion. Desmond Avery published a book “Beyond Power” on Simone Weil’s thinking — was powerful for me.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">“…the long work<br>
of turning their lives<br>
into a celebration<br>
is not easy. Come </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 19pt;">and let us talk</span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 19pt;">“. </span></p><p class="p1"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 19pt;">The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 8, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Don Bushman via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Well Jim-breathe-deep inhale twice as long exhale, 10 times. I have participated in his zooming and found it worth the effort. Unless you are going really far down hill, it is good stuff you can manage.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I found the following likely sources. I suspect it was our Pierce, Matthews, Marshall, and the other creators of RS1 fascination with Kierkegaard-and several of these other sources could play into the statement:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">
<h3>1. <strong>Viktor Frankl – "Man's Search for Meaning"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: This book provides insight into how suffering can lead individuals to confront questions about meaning, purpose, and spirituality. Frankl, a Holocaust survivor, explores how the human spirit searches for meaning even in the most difficult circumstances.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Existential crisis, suffering, and the search for purpose.</li></ul><h3>2. <strong>Søren Kierkegaard – "The Sickness Unto Death"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: Kierkegaard, considered the father of existentialism, deals with despair and how it leads to self-awareness and the need for reconciliation with the concept of God.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Despair, faith, the self, and the relationship with God in existential crises.</li></ul><h3>3. <strong>C.S. Lewis – "The Problem of Pain"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: C.S. Lewis explores the problem of human suffering from a Christian theological perspective, addressing how pain forces individuals to turn toward God for answers.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Suffering, divine purpose, and spiritual transformation.</li></ul><h3>4. <strong>Paul Tillich – "The Courage to Be"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: Tillich examines existential anxiety and the role of faith in overcoming the crises of meaninglessness. He addresses how individuals turn to spirituality when confronted with the anxiety of existence.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Existential anxiety, courage, and the divine.</li></ul><h3>5. <strong>Thomas Merton – "No Man Is an Island"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: Merton, a Trappist monk, reflects on the importance of contemplation and how internal crises often direct us to seek answers in God and spiritual truths.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Spiritual life, contemplation, and God’s role in personal crises.</li></ul><h3>6. <strong>Simone Weil – "Waiting for God"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: Weil’s writings emphasize how suffering and affliction lead individuals to spiritual growth and a deeper understanding of God’s presence.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Suffering, spiritual growth, and divine presence.</li></ul><h3>7. <strong>St. Augustine – "Confessions"</strong></h3><ul><li><strong>Why it's useful</strong>: This autobiographical work shows St. Augustine’s own spiritual crisis and his journey toward understanding God’s role in his life. His reflections are a profound exploration of human restlessness and the search for divine truth.</li><li><strong>Key themes</strong>: Sin, grace, spiritual crisis, and divine revelation.</li></ul>
</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><img width="96" height="77" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zOIu3LEC6MFTWTu0KY7E502yfIl5gyrUcU9KlzwS-rSnRYeib0f_TPP7f9TiS5-tpufMUq26vAwWag" data-unique-identifier=""><br></div><div> <img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wgIOy7oWy3z_VRwzsBpODEX3NNQ9JDo77bNqvSsjWJ9GswXJj_6KMPdFE-dzLVIcOLFPbwXCt5GgEQ" data-unique-identifier=""><br></div><div>828-292-9696<b><br></b></div><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 7:39 PM James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">The statement, "When the external situation creates an internal crisis from which we seek to escape, it is at that point that the question of God is raised" -- or something like that, was used to give a framework to the Question of God lecture in the Ecumenical Institute's "Question of God" lecture.<div><br></div><div>What was the source of this statement? Something in Kierkegaard?</div><div>Thanks for any help. I am frantically trying to swim in the deep waters of Gene Marshall's Zoom Symposium on a new Christian theology.<br id="m_4143842165031665295lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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