<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">We are camping in Adair, Iowa, city park headed for Duluth. We could stop by Wells tomorrow for coffee or lunch for further philosophication, if that seems at all productive.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 2, 2024, at 9:35 PM, Doug and Pat Druckenmiller <dpat23@msn.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div dir="auto">Here is a direct quote from the opening passage:</div>
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<div dir="auto">"Man is spirit. But what is spirit? Spirit is the self. But what is the self? The self is a relation which relates itself to its own self, or it is that in the relation which accounts for it that the relation relates itself to its own self;
the self is not the relation but consists in the fact that the relation relates itself to its own self. Man is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity, in short it is a synthesis. A synthesis is
a relation between two factors. So regarded, man is not yet a self."</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 2, 2024 8:57:51 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] Question about Kierkegaard</font>
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<div dir="auto">As i recall, this formulation is a one sentence summary of Kierkegard's "The Sickness Unto Death." The forms of despair are all ways of not willing to be the self that we fundamentally are. The self is a fundamental relationship between the
finite and the eternal and we are conscious of this fundamental relationship, thus "the self is a relation which relates itself to itself". The forms of despair are all the ways we refuse to be this fundamental relation as detailed in the "forms of despair",
The sickness unto death - our unwillingness to be the given self that we fundamentally are. By willing to be this fundamental self we ground our self transparently in the power that has created this unique self. The Tillich paper explores the fundamental dynamics
of this despair (sin) and the willingness to be the created self which grounds us transparently in the power that posits us (Grace.)</div>
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<div dir="auto">Dou Druckenmiller.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."
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<div>And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.</div>
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<div>Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?</div>
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<div>I am afeared that I am misusing it.</div>
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<div>Thanks.</div>
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