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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dear colleagues,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">What do we pray over? Is it the US elections, the leading candidates and how Americans will vote? Praying for this would be like asking for supernatural help for scoring a goal. The issue to pray over is one that troubles not just the US but many of the countries that we come from - the dearth of leaders who desire good for the world and have the discipline and skills to inspire and move their people. Genocide Joe and Trump with his tantrums are not on that list. And it's hard to see societies where the young are being groomed to fill this vacuum. In the midst of all this, we human beings have put the earth on a course where 2024 will end up being the hottest year in history. Superpowers are more interested in either staying as No 1 or becoming the next No 1 than in dealing with what's coming at us. This is where we have to get down on our knees. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dharma<br><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br><br><br>esday, 16 July 2024 at 05:36:26 am GMT+8, Isobel and Jim via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:</span></div></div><div id="ydpa4d00e9byahoo_quoted_1823064171" class="ydpa4d00e9byahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div><div id="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879"><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div><div>Dear and I mean very dear, colleagues, <div>Thank you for your expressions of reality from your heart, with the question I had posed. </div><div>I felt your own identity and integrity coming through in how you spoke. </div><div>I now feel much better informed, and will continue the journey of the spirit. I now have a ‘handle ‘ </div><div>with which to focus my thoughts. </div><div>I was hoping for some words of what JWM called ‘the rational objective ‘ and in addition, I also received your own existential aim. ( my view). My deepest thanks.</div><div>Journey on, dear ones. </div><div>I spend my days on Gadigal and Wangal country, in debt to the Eora. </div><div>With love, and carrying the flame of hope. </div><div>Isobel </div><div><br clear="none" id="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Isobel Bishop<div>Mob. 0412 129 425</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On 16 Jul 2024, at 6:14 AM, Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div>Dear Susan,</div><div><br clear="none"></div>There is nothing about the current Republican Party that has a global context.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>As a Canadian who has relied on America and NATO for European and Asian power balances, despots will win across the world with a like-minded US president.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>As in loving my neighbour, Susan, Trumps protectionism will raise the price in Canada of just everything by 10%. Your Californian food is on this list. It is the poor of our country who will bear this most of all. They will suffer immensely.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Never mind the plight of women. This ‘gab them by the pussy’ candidate to lead the world is, well, you supply the descriptor.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I’m guessing that your life-long Republicanism is non-negotiable. For those who imagine 'the church as a social pioneer', and those of us committed to loving our neighbour, I value your participation. With each of your posts, I can revisit this commitment.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ever grateful, Ken</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>P.S. Some random pop-ups.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>A very much abbreviated Thomas Aquinas quote would be.. "What’s the will of God? Why, what happened yesterday?"</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Bonhoeffer missed. It cost him and millions of others their lives.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none" id="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-interchange-newline"><div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On the Sunday talk show on ABC, Reince Priebus, former head of the RNC, and Donna Brazile, former head of the DNC, were, I don’t know, trying to make nice, model cooperation, demonstrate bipartisanship, whatever. Brazile’s closing comment to Priebus was something like — whatever, we’re all on the same team. I just have to say as clearly as I can, and with no vitriol at all, well almost none, We are NOT all on the same team!!!</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Randy</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">OJul 15, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Milan Hamilton via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr">As you wish.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 15, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879WordSection1"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Shame on you. You assume that everyone is of the same viewpoint. I am a Republican, and I think your comment is exactly what is wrong wit the discourse. Why don’t you just shut up?</span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:rgb(8, 8, 8);">Susan</span></i></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(8, 8, 8);"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:rgb(8, 8, 8);">Susan Fertig-Dykes</span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:rgb(8, 8, 8);"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Papyrus;">And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11</span></i><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Papyrus;"></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Milan Hamilton via OE<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 15, 2024 2:04 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Order Ecumenical Community <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milan Hamilton <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:mellowmilan2@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">mellowmilan2@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Oe List ...] A question</span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"> </div><p style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;" class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879MsoNormal">Yes by all means pray to tamp down the incendiary and vitriolic discourse, and all the same pray for a chance that the Republic (not “ans”) be preserved. I still think the main originator of the latest such discourse be removed “far away from us” as I was thinking of the question the villagers in Fiddler on the Roof asked the Rabbi: “Is there a blessing for the Tzar?” After much thought the Reb prayed:; “May God bless and keep the Tzar . . . . . . .far away from us.” Certain parts of our body politic still need to be removed, but not by assassination, rather by the ballot box and the duly appointed court system of our beloved Republic. Milan H.</p><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;">Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><p style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;" class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879MsoNormal">On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Sunny Walker via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;">Well said, Susan.<br clear="all"></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Sans;">Sunny Walker </span></i></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">She/her/hers</span></i></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">On </span></i><i><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);">Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land</span></i></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);"><img id="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879_x0000_i1027" border="0" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wPZyPY_WvsB1jy2GzPMb8pu58faklRdoOJQo2voecFQf7GxG2gsHYpUU7cAq4vfXWdUpp55rU" style="width: 200px; 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Isaiah 58:11</i></div></div></div><div align="center" style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;text-align:center;" class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879MsoNormal"><hr align="center" size="2" width="98%"></div><div id="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879m_6395210546078238531divRplyFwdMsg"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> on behalf of Isobel and Jim via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 15, 2024 7:18:56 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>ICA Dialogue <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>; James Wiegel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>>;<span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>Isobel and Jim <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b><span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Oe List ...] A question</span></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"> </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Dear Colleagues,<br clear="none">I have been feeling very sad about the complications surrounding the attempt on Mr Trump’s life.<br clear="none">I’m watching our flagship programme Four Corners.<span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">A former Attorney of the Department of Justice is talking about hard it was to ensure the Law was carried out, under the former President’s administration.<br clear="none">What is the most effective wording for my Prayers for your country at this time ?<br clear="none">If someone takes up my question, I will pray and fast at certain times. <span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">With love, in eternal hope.<span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none">Isobel<span class="ydpa4d00e9byiv4494516879Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Isobel Bishop<br clear="none">Mob. 0412 129 425<br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" 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