<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">WELL, NOT MUCH GOING ON AROUND THE COLLEAGUE NETWORK THIS EVENING, EH?<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the quickness. . . .</div><div>I find myself using this quote as a formula:</div><div><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody;">"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."</span></p><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">The organization is a relation that . . </span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">The team is a relation that . . . </span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">The family is a relation that. . . .</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">The neighborhood is a relation that . . .</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">A city is a relation that. . . .</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><br></span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Do such substitutions seem helpful? Are they at all connected with SK's insight??</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><br></span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">"The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:25 PM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydp322903edyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the givenness of "consciousness of consciousness of consciousness" which is the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the body that you embody. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Or something like that.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were <i>interpreting</i> SK and putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty army.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Or something like that.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Marshall </div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv8208153920"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large;" class="yiv8208153920gmail_default">I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes and No" or "No and Yes"?<br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="yiv8208153920gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><img width="96" height="77" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zOIu3LEC6MFTWTu0KY7E502yfIl5gyrUcU9KlzwS-rSnRYeib0f_TPP7f9TiS5-tpufMUq26vAwWag" data-unique-identifier=""><br clear="none"></div><div> <img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wgIOy7oWy3z_VRwzsBpODEX3NNQ9JDo77bNqvSsjWJ9GswXJj_6KMPdFE-dzLVIcOLFPbwXCt5GgEQ" data-unique-identifier=""><br clear="none"></div><div>828-292-9696<b><br clear="none"></b></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div id="yiv8208153920yqtfd68805" class="yiv8208153920yqt1628855923"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv8208153920gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div>Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous century. Judi</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv8208153920gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com" href="mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">judiwhite070@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div>Really?</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv8208153920gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv8208153920gmail_quote"><div>I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."<div><br clear="none"></div><div>And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am afeared that I am misusing it.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br clear="none" id="yiv8208153920m_7409057284129211857m_2051974715580189631m_-1577364849590192718lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Jim Wiegel</span><br clear="none"><div>
<p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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