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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for sending “the Gates of Grief”. I found this to be a wonderful piece for reflection. It offers several paths that I had not fully considered.</p><p class=MsoNormal>Catherine Welch</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Karen Snyder via OE</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, October 30, 2023 7:34 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:elliestock@aol.com">Ellie and Carleton Stock</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com">Karen Snyder</a>; <a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists</a>; <a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Four Gates of Grief</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ellie,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This poem is very fitting relative to the message about the gates of grief. You have shown an amazing sensitivity, intuition and on-point poetic response that speaks to me. I am living today in gratitude for a new day. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Love and peace,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Karen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 30, 2023, at 7:00 AM, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hi Karen,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>A preliminary response . . . also attached.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Ellie :)</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>elliestock@aol.com </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I THOUGHT I HAD SHED ALL MY TEARS</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I thought I had shed all my tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a lifetime of tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>drops rivuletting canyons in once smoothe skin,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>cascading into deltas and emptying into a sea of sorrow,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>now parched and dried like</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>my once choking and burning throat.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I thought I had shed all my tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a lifetime of tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>sobs of shock and pain muffled in pillows,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>deep shaking heaves trying to catch breath,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>threatening to suffocate.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I thought I had shed all my tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a lifetime of tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>of hurt and hurting, of remorse for the done and undone,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>the betrayal of and by those close,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>the final separation from loved ones, land, </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>and what is most cherished,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>of sleepless nights and </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>prayers like drops of blood for the sick and dying,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>of births that never were.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>of fading health and dreams.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I thought I had shed all my tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a lifetime of tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>screams and cries of anger, fear, and anguish over</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>the corruption, consumption, and killing fields of </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Earth and all that is in it,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>billions of years extinguishing </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>in the embers and ashes of truth and justice,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>communities and trust shattered,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>innocent suffering,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>sacredness violated, sorrow unbounded,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>lamenting echoing lamenting, looping and looping and looping,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>grief unbearable, unconsolable, overwhelming, numbing,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>dried, vacant eyes staring stoically into the void,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>filled with harpies advertising, urging, encouraging</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>to eat, drink, and be merry. But</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>how can I sing while mourning in </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>this strange, foreign land?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I thought I had shed all my tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a lifetime of tears, no more left to be wiped away.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I woke up in the middle of the night,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>anxiously awaiting dawn, but</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>the heavens were weeping, lightning</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>and street lamps the only light,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>cloud-bursting, four winds swirling,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>thundering, torrents and storms of tears,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>piercing the soil and bouncing off asphalt,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>quenching the drought-thirsty trees losing </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>autumn muted colored leaves, </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>trying to cleanse, to refresh, to renew, to regenerate</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>the parched planet and also</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>piercing my soul, drilling into</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>unbeknown, untapped fossilized tears that melted, trickled,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>moistened eyelids, then gushed,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>flowing, cleansing and renewing.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>No rainbow but deep gratitude and stillness and</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a new Covenant with a new day and </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>All that is in it.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpab7e5bb6msonormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Then I calmly reached for a box of Kleenex.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>ejhs</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>10/30/2023</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp90731baayahoo_quoted_8849186114"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 06:53:03 PM CDT, Karen Snyder via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This week the Daily Good had an article by Francis Weller called “Drinking the Tears of the World: Grief as Deep Activism”. Weller articulates four gates of grief that I have never known how to acknowledge before: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>1. Losing someone loved<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>2. Neglected places of soul such as as a sense of shame and feeling of inadequacy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>3. Losses in the world of species, habitats and cultures<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>4. Loss of community and rituals that keep us connected to our soul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>With this understanding one realizes that everyone grieves. I find myself wondering how much anger and hatred in society covers a deeper experience of grieving. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>What is your response to this writing? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br><br>Peace and love,<br><br>Karen Snyder Troxel_______________________________________________<br>Dialogue mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>