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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2022 9:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Terry Bergdall <bergdall2@gmail.com>; David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] A photocopy of Joseph Mathews' graduate thesis</font>
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<div class="">Here is a <span class="" style="font-family:ArialMT">story that I heard while recruiting PLC in Wichita Falls back in 1969 from a Methodist pastor who claimed to have witnessed it. Apparently Mathews' dissertaion had been rejected, or returned
 to him for major revisions, when he decided that he had no intention of doing more work on it. He then led a group of seminarians (of which the man who told me the story said he was one) to a basement at Perkins and, following a prepared ritual, threw it into
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<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Friends, I actually read most of chapter 1 of JWM's dissertation, which is a long haul. (OK, so I speed-read the last part!)</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">So here are my thoughts and questions.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">First, does anybody know what happened to the actual boxed hard copy I saw in the Archives office?</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Second, does anybody know whether Wesley Theological Seminary has a hard copy in their JWM archive collection?</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Third, can anyone confirm, correct, or elaborate on the story I heard from Marge (I think) about how JWM refused to 'tweak' his dissertation, and thus never got his Ph.D. degree? Or tell us anything else they know
 about the origin and/or transmission of the manuscript?</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">I would love to hear about this from LiDonna, Sarah B., Fishel, Lingo, Gilles, Walters, Gene, Beret, Aimee, or any others still alive whose memory goes back as far as CFLC and the early days of EI. And anyone else
 who may have heard this story from Marge.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Fourth: My own somewhat vague memory is that JWM wrote this at Yale for H. Richard Niebuhr. Is that accurate? </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Fifth, how can we date the completion/rejection/abandonment of JWM's dissertation? I would guess that it was while he was teaching at Colgate Rochester as an ABD faculty member. Is there a date on the ms. or some
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<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Sixth, is there a copyright notice, and if so, who owns the copyright?</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">Seventh, who added the running page header that says "Chapter one mathews"?</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">It just doesn't strike me as being part of the original typescript.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">Now, for the icing on this cake!</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">I for one would vote to do all we can to reconstruct and correct the minutae of JWM's dissertation and produce a .pdf that could be widely available. Perhaps as a freely available document on a theological dissertation
 website. Or perhaps we could  reformat the text with added section subheads (you know, they did that to English translations of the Bible! those subheads are not in the original Greek and Hebrew!) and even add a contemporary Forward.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Or even publish it on Amazon!</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">At age 82 I always contemplate the option of Doing Nothing! So we could just do nothing more with the JWM dissertation.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Plus, at 82 I'm aware of the mantra, 'Just do it now!' Or maybe later will be too late! </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Because, starting many years ago, it was not considered exactly missionally relevant. Even by JWM. He just moved on. And perhaps he considered all that effort to complete his Ph.D. a misfire. Or a most unfortunate
 fire! Or whatever.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">But I encourage us to think in terms of this (admittedly bad) analogy: imagine that Picasso doodled a face on a napkin. It's still a Picasso!</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">(Please let me know if you have any of his napkins.)</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">So here's what I got from reading (more or less) chapter 1.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">We may not actually care very much about how John Wesley used his classical 18th century education and intelligence to understand and describe the human condition in relation to his grasp of the nature of the physical
 universe and his personal relationship with Ultimate Reality.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">But Joe Mathews did.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">So if you read his dissertation, what you get is Joe's 20th century theological lens applied to understand Wesley's theological world. </div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">I would venture to add that, IMHO, Mathews has added a significant voice or POV to Wesley scholarship, getting inside Wesley's construction of intimate human reality by placing Wesley's words
 in the context of his functioning intellectual universe of Western scholarship (from Hume to Descartes to Aquinas, etc.).</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">Mathews is charting Wesley's understanding of epistemology (including his perception of divine activity in human experience) and his theological anthropology.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">It's Mathews' reading of Wesley's theological formulation of his personal process of his deepening, transformative experience of 'sanctification'. </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">And, of course, it sounds more like Mathews' existentialist theological lingo than Wesley's 18th century theological formulations.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">For example, <font size="3" class="">
"<span class="" style="color:rgb(56,56,56)">the naked givenness of the impression" just doesn't sound like it was plucked from a Wesley sermon!</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">In a nutshell, Mathews is 'decoding' Wesley for twentieth century scholarly readers. (Who else reads Wesley's sermons? I ask. Raise your hands, please! I thought so.)</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-size:16px">Maybe that's why it didn't pass muster with HRNiebuhr!</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">Anyway, enough blah-blah-blah.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">I vote for resurrecting this hidden/undiscovered gem for the few remaining authentic Wesley scholars to chew on. And/or spit up.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="" style="font-size:16px">Any others of us are welcome to join in the fun by charting it.</div>
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<div class="">On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 09:13:01 AM EDT, James Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" class="">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">Hi Marshall, Karen and colleagues.</div>
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">This means that we’ll have the entire thesis with the addition of scans of the Table of Contents (2 pages), the Introduction (4 pages) and the cover.</div>
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">A few good copy editor souls need to compare the PDF against the photocopy to correct the numbering of a few of the footnotes and other typos that might appear—easy corrections in the PDF</div>
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">I’ve forgotten whose photocopy I copied (my copy is at least a second generation copy), but that means that there is likely at least one 2nd generation copy in someone else’s hands.</div>
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><i class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">On Oct 2, 2022, Karen Snyder wrote:</i></font></div>
<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><span class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502" style="font-style:normal">In light of it being about John Wesley, it either is JWM’s doctoral
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><span class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502" style="font-style:normal">If it is different, than it should be added here as well. Are you
 able to scan it?  If not, send it to Chicago, and we will scan it. We do scanning four days a week so it would be done immediately. Once scanned and added to the Periodicals, it is available for anyone to read it who wishes to.</span></font></div>
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<div class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502"><i class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502">On Oct 2, 2022, Marshall Jones replied:</i></font></div>
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<font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502" style="font-style:normal">So David's precious xerox is probably copied from this original.</font></div>
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<font size="2" class="x_yiv7119110701ydpd44525ayiv2950935502" style="font-style:normal">I think the typescript is also available in a digital scan on-line.</font></div>
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