<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Dear Mary, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">We extend our sincere condolences to Asaram's family (and all those in India who are at much greater risk now from the virus), and are grateful to learn of Hiramin's recovery. May you, your family and community be well and stay safe,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">With love from Dick and Gail</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:58 PM Mary Kurian D'Souza via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Just spoke to Hiraman <div><br><div>Mohan Borkar, Asaram's brother- in-law communicated this information </div><div>Asaram Bhoyar passed away in his village yesterday. The cremation was today. He had an underlying heart condition. He died at home. It is unclear if he died of Covid. The symptoms reported sound like he had Covid 19. <br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 28-Apr-2021, at 4:36 PM, Mary Kurian D'Souza <<a href="mailto:marykdsouza@gmail.com" target="_blank">marykdsouza@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">The over all situation reported by news is correct<div>Systems of health service are unable to respond. </div><div>We, in Pune, are in a lockdown. </div><div><br></div><div>Many weeks ago Hiraman Gavai had Covid 19, was hospitalised and recovered <div>Today Hiraman Gavai sent a message saying that Asaram Bhoyar had Covid 19 and died. </div><div>I do not have any more details. </div><div><br></div><div>I am also grateful for Tom's intervention </div><div>Mary</div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 28-Apr-2021, at 3:51 PM, James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I guess I started this little thread with the picture of India and the numbers . . . Wanting to say I am in prayer for that great country and its people (those I have known and those I have not)— and for all of us as we continue to journey through this pandemic — I, too, am anxious and uncertain and surrounded by anxiety and uncertainty here in Tolleson, Arizona, both face to face and in cyberspace. Have we heard from colleagues there?<div><br></div><div>Would that we had the care in all aspects that dear Tim demonstrates on these lists!<br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
<p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Stephen Hawking</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 27, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Sharon Fisher via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thanks, Tim!<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:29 PM Mary Kurian D'Souza via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you Tim.<div>I support your posture.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:07 AM Timothy Wegner via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>David, please don't spread vaccination misinformation on the list. It's actually NOT that hard to know what to believe if you make some effort. A simple google search suffices.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm glad you got your vaccination. There actually is some peer reviewed science about Vitamin D helping providing some help to the immune system, but it's not a miracle cure or preventative. As far as your dubious Dr. Cole, here's what Factcheck.org says:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/" target="_blank">https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/</a></div><div><br></div><div>As list moderator, I hereby declare debates about vaccine efficacy off topic. Please no more, and feel free to email me privately. The problem is misinformation requires ten times the effort to refute as it takes to spread. We don't need that here. That said, I don't really want to ban helpful information on staying safe and getting vaccinated, though I expect our aging list members are pretty well along with being vaccinated.</div><div><br></div><div>(signed) Tim, who moderates this list ever so rarely, but whose buttons were pushed by the ant-vax video David posted. </div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 11:11 PM David Yost via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(77,75,78);font-family:"helvetica neue",Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(243,243,243)">Dr. Cole is a Mayo Clinic trained Board Certified Pathologist. </span><br clear="all"><div><a href="https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/" target="_blank">https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/</a><font color="#888888"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div>I would encourage you to watch this as Dr. Cole says "the shot" is not really a vaccination, but that is what they want us to to think it is.</div><div><br></div><div>Vitamin D may provide even better protection against a number of Viruses and any variant strains. </div><div><br></div><div>Then there is <span>Ivermectin</span> - I am going to see how to get a prescription for that as well.</div><div><br></div><div>I went ahead and got my "First Shot" (Moderna) on 4-20-21. So far so good, I am also taking Vitamin D3.</div><div><br></div><div>Hard to know what to believe.</div><font color="#888888">--</font><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 1:03 PM W. J. via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
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On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 11:07:13 AM PDT, Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:
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