<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Thank you Susan for eliciting this conversation.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I might not have looked at the real numbers without your invitation. And certainly after hearing a bit of Biden's speech from the weekend this morning where he talked about <b><i>America </i></b>making it's choice, I might have fallen into the reduction from which he spoke. At best, Biden was voted for by 30% of the adults in the USA. The numbers suggest to me that more people did not vote than voted for Biden or voted for Trump. And yes we finally had a turnout where more than 50% of the adults in our country voted, just barely.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Is it possible to have a consensus administration? Our colleague Ken Fisher would point out our binary system prevents that from happening. And others point out the more divided we become the quicker we will slide down the slope into importance in our global village.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I feel our (O:E) long experience has only begun to offer up our contribution to the conversation. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">[And note to Jack Gillis, my colleague and friend, about the difference between dialogue and conversation. Maybe JWM's narrative about the <i><b>artform conversation</b></i> instead of the <i><b>artform dialogue</b></i> was his realization that our current use of the word dialogue was mistaken for the word duologue and he had a thing about the academic practice of criticism and the accompanying dismissal. Who knows?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I learned in my reactivity from looking at the Online Etymology site (<a href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/conversation" target="_blank">https://www.etymonline.com/word/conversation</a>) that dialogue in usage came into being after conversation and fundamentally narrowed the meaning to the exchange of speech. Maybe our artform conversation can encourage whole communities, who indeed live with one another, to engage in creating a shared future.]</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><a title="Origin and meaning of dialogue" href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/dialogue#etymonline_v_8516" style="box-sizing:border-box;background:transparent;color:rgb(131,0,29);text-decoration-line:initial;text-decoration-color:rgb(131,0,29);outline:none;margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:20px;font-weight:700;word-break:break-word;font-family:Georgia" target="_blank">dialogue (n.)</a><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding:0px">c. 1200, "literary work consisting of a conversation between two or more persons," from Old French <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">dialoge</span> and directly from Latin <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">dialogus</span>, from Greek <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">dialogos</span> "conversation, dialogue," related to <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">dialogesthai</span> "converse," from <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">dia</span> "across, between" (see <span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(131,0,29);font-weight:700">dia-</span>) + <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">legein</span> "speak," from PIE root <span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(131,0,29);font-weight:700">*leg-</span> (1) "to collect, gather," with derivatives meaning "to speak (to 'pick out words')."</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:1em 0px 0px;padding:0px">Sense extended by c. 1400 to "a conversation between two or more persons." The mistaken belief that it can mean only "conversation between two persons" is from confusion of <span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(131,0,29);font-weight:700">dia-</span> and <span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(131,0,29);font-weight:700">di-</span> (1); the error goes back to at least 1532, when <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">trialogue</span> was coined needlessly for "a conversation between three persons." A word that has been used for "conversation between two persons" and cannot mean otherwise is the hybrid <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">duologue</span> (1864).</p><h1 title="Origin and meaning of conversation" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:28px;margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);word-break:break-word;background-color:rgb(255,252,242)">conversation (n.)</h1><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding:0px">mid-14c., "place where one lives or dwells," also "general course of actions or habits, manner of conducting oneself in the world," both senses now obsolete; from Old French <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">conversacion</span> "behavior, life, way of life, monastic life," and directly from Latin <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">conversationem</span> (nominative <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">conversatio</span>) "frequent use, frequent abode in a place, intercourse, conversation," noun of action from past-participle stem of <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">conversari</span> "to live, dwell, live with, keep company with," passive voice of <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">conversare</span> "to turn about, turn about with," from assimilated form of <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">com</span> "with, together" (see <a href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/con-?ref=etymonline_crossreference" style="box-sizing:border-box;background:transparent;color:rgb(131,0,29);text-decoration-line:initial;text-decoration-color:rgb(131,0,29);outline:none;font-weight:700" target="_blank">con-</a>) + <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">versare</span>, frequentative of <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic">vertere</span> "to turn" (from PIE root <a href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/*wer-?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_52647" style="box-sizing:border-box;background:transparent;color:rgb(131,0,29);text-decoration-line:initial;text-decoration-color:rgb(131,0,29);outline:none;font-weight:700" target="_blank">*wer-</a> (2) "to turn, bend").</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:1em 0px 0px;padding:0px">Sense of "informal interchange of thoughts and sentiments by spoken words" is from 1570s. Used as a synonym for "sexual intercourse" from at least late 14c., hence <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">criminal conversation</span></span>, a legal term for adultery from late 18c. <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-style:italic"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:bolder">Conversation-piece</span></span> is from 1712 as "painting representing a group of figures arranged as if in conversation;" 1784 as "subject for conversation, something to talk about."</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:1em 0px 0px;padding:0px"><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:1em 0px 0px;padding:0px">Don Bushman</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:1em 0px 0px;padding:0px">(with deep gratitude for Susan and Jack and all O:E Saints)</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:47 AM Lynn via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-lawsuits-are-politics-disguised-legal-strategy/617022/" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-lawsuits-are-politics-disguised-legal-strategy/617022/</a><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This article sums up the situation beautifully. This is something I would have shared with mom (Marianna Bailey), so thanks for indulging me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lynn</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Randy Williams via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Tempting though it was, I decided not to take the bait, and let Susan be Susan.</div><div dir="ltr">Randy</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 9, 2020, at 6:33 AM, Ken Fisher via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Sisters & Brothers,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank-you, David.</div><div><br></div>Enfranchise ALL the voters of United States, then it would be obvious that Trump would be out.<div><br></div><div>Voter repression and jerrymandering is so much a part of the American way.</div><div><br></div><div>Here in the province of Ontario, the boundaries for Provincial and Federal elections are the same.</div><div><br></div><div>Prisoners vote.</div><div><br></div><div>How long oh Lord, how long?</div><div><br></div><div>Ken<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 8, 2020, at 4:51 PM, David Dunn via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>Greetings colleagues.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It’s too soon and a bit uncouth to shoot “Hooray!” I <i>can</i> report a great sigh of relief followed, however, by a deeply anxiety “Oh S**t, we’ve got a lot of work to do.”</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Two thoughts:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1. I believe, on good evidence, that it is a statement of fact that, as of last night, of the 146,361,058 ballots counted, 50.5% were for V. P. Biden and 47.7% were for Pres. Trump. When we say President-elect Joe Biden, that’s really shorthand for the more exact phrases like Joe Biden is the "projected President elect" or the "putative President elect”?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2. But to be honest, no matter the turn of phrase, it seems probable that Joe Biden will be inaugurated on January 20.</div><div><br></div><div>I base that faith statement on an experience of fact, namely, that my colleague at Church of the Holy Family, Gayle C., who was an election judge this year, is a no BS but good-willed and conscientious guardian of free and fair elections. Gayle is the kind of woman, much like you, Susan, that some might call a force of nature. It’s a compliment: people who are forces of nature are the ones who get things done.</div><div><br></div><div>Gaye has checked in with me regularly to report on how things are going in Aurora where she is the Democrat on the Republican-Democrat team that verifies signatures on ballots against the official electoral signature books. She was also asked this year to be an adjudicator on a bipartisan team of election judges that look at ambiguously marked ballots and discern the intention of the voter when the markings are not clear. One by one, Gayle and her Republican partner examine the unclear ballots with the aim of forming a consensus about who that voter was voting for. As Gayle describes it, such adjudication, though routine, is universally understood to be a sacred trust and high honor to be entrusted with the adjudicator role at the most grassroots level of our electoral process: the precinct. Gayle and her Republican teammates do not mess around. They work long hours, day after day, to be sure that they can vouch for the integrity of the ballot process in their precinct. No one messes with Gayle.</div><div><br></div><div>I can easily believe, with full trust, that the vast majority of election workers across America are, in their own personal ways, like Gayle. Scrupulous. That’s why it seems to me that our president’s court challenges are the sideshow of a desperate man who is psychically unable to own the fact of loss. </div><div><br></div><div>I wish I could recall who said yesterday that we really just need to relax and let the legal process play out in full expectation that the judges in the courts will be similarly, as we would expect, scrupulous in their devotion to fact and law.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That was rather long winded, but it boils down to this. Now I, personally, feel the weight of this challenge: to support spirit journeys that allow people to embrace both gain and loss as facts of life like birth and death, not linguistic inventions like victory and defeat.</div><div><br></div><div>It is so painfully obvious that our president, a manifestly broken man from a widely noted broken family, has not gone on the spirit journey that allows him to embrace what is real. His universe cracked when he was a child and he has not been able to rise above that childhood death.</div><div><br></div><div>Court challenges do not change the fact that our president has lost this election, denies this limit in his life, and inflicts that denial on our democracy. </div><div><br></div><div>Individual sin has become social sabotage, which boomerangs back as self-sabotage of a political campaign.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">The world is not a monolith. 50% of the people did not vote for Joe Biden. I am in that 50%.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">He is not yet President-elect. There is still court challenges going on.</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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