<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Dear David,<div>Thank you for this reflection.</div><div>Your thoughts raised up within me the ghastly record we have here with our care and protection of Children. </div><div>I know your were not addressing this matter specifically, however your words evoked something deep in me. As a start, I would submit our Order children were not cared for emotionally. ( just my view). </div><div>Here in Australia the High Court has completed a National Royal Commission into the Sexual Abuse of Children- at last, an acknowledgement of terrible behaviour in Churches, Scouts, Schools and other institutions. No group is left unscathed. </div><div>Furthermore, the indigenous children suffer on so many grounds- removed from family and then abused. </div><div>What horrors we inflicted. </div><div>Children who have sought asylum have had unimaginable treatment. </div><div>Our rigidity and lack of compassion will have such serious consequences. </div><div>Ps 13 comes to mind often on behalf of those who suffer innocently in this nation. </div><div>Thank you for making a profound yet simple statement.</div><div>You are speaking of ALL creation, and thank you. </div><div>Love connect create. </div><div>Thank you for your very helpful thoughts, David. </div><div>In peace </div><div>Isobel B </div><div><br></div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 1 Sep 2019, at 3:05 am, David Flowers via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Jesus loves the little children. For a reason. We are born out of the womb as loving, creative creatures seeking Connection. All these so-called rational systems that have been put in place are so often dismissive of this Primal fact. God created the heavens and the Earth and then created us in Gods image. We are born as loving creators. Jesus ame to remind us of our loving, creative connectedness with ALL of creation in contradiction to any plans that seek to codify or glorify one systemic approach over another. That's the plan. Short of that, any social model deemed good or bad by whatever group will fail. Keep it simple. Love, connect, create.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 4:26 PM <<a href="mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send OE mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's (Jack Gilles)<br>
2. Re: How Writing of Kierkegaard was Translated into English<br>
(Mary Kurian D'Souza)<br>
3. Re: How Writing of Kierkegaard was Translated into English<br>
(James Wiegel)<br>
4. Re: How Writing of Kierkegaard was Translated into English (W. J.)<br>
5. Re: How Writing of Kierkegaard was Translated into English<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 22:09:11 -0500<br>
From: Jack Gilles <<a href="mailto:jackcgilles@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jackcgilles@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Ellie,<br>
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Yes, the reality of life is the connectedness of all. Love and compassion is a necessary stance in light of this misunderstanding for sure. As I understand how we defined contradiction we looked for the structural sociological window that emerges when you identify the force that is keeping the current situation from changing. It is the current scientific paradigm that defines what is real and how thinks happen by cause and effect. There is a unifying paradigm that discloses how the creative process happens and provides an integration for both This World and The Other World. Until that paradigm takes root we will not overcome the tragic future we are facing. The Other World has always been present, but for several hundred years the explanation for how things happen have been defined by western left brain thinking and verbal definition, and relegating our other two brains to explanations reduced to ?things?. <br>
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Jack<br>
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> On Aug 29, 2019, at 18:53, Ellie Stock via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".<br>
> <br>
> For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.<br>
> <br>
> Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.<br>
> <br>
> Ellie <br>
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> From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's<br>
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> <br>
> Dear A.M.,<br>
> <br>
> Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. <br>
> <br>
> A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and soli<br>
psism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.<br>
> <br>
> What do you think? <br>
> <br>
> In solidarity,<br>
> <br>
> Rob<br>
> ................................................................................................<br>
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> From: OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>><br>
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> Cc: A.M. Noel <<a href="mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">anthonymarianoel@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">anthonymarianoel@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's<br>
> <br>
> We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?<br>
> <br>
> A.M. Noel<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> John and Colleagues,<br>
> <br>
> You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. <br>
> <br>
> So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. ?Without a NRM there will be no NSV?. ?Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.? ?Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change?. ?Never attack directly, indirection is the way?. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered <br>
the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill ?dem bones?. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. <br>
> <br>
> Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA?s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn?t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry?s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and hav<br>
e they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> The Spirit of the 20?s<br>
>> John Epps, August 2019<br>
>> <br>
>> The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I?ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60?s. Here we go again:<br>
>> <br>
>> The Prevailing Spirit:<br>
>> Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth?s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.<br>
>> <br>
>> All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we?re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.<br>
>> <br>
>> The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. <br>
>> <br>
>> We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, ?Moscow Mitch,? Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band ?us? against ?them? or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating ?them.?<br>
>> <br>
>> Towards an Authentic Response:<br>
>> This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.<br>
>> <br>
>> Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.<br>
>> <br>
>> The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.<br>
>> <br>
>> Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome. <br>
>> <br>
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From: "Mary Kurian D'Souza" <<a href="mailto:marykdsouza@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marykdsouza@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Thank you dear Beret for this vignette.<br>
Mary<br>
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Beret Griffith via OE <<br>
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> - [image: Howard Vincent Hong]<br>
><br>
> Howard Hong and his wife Edna spent much of their lives translating the<br>
> writings of Kierkegaard into English. He taught at St. Olaf College, my<br>
> alma mater. I met Howard only a couple of times. His son Erik and his wife<br>
> Carol are friends of Paul and myself.<br>
><br>
> I'm sending along a part of the story of Howard and Edna because we owe<br>
> our opportunity to read and reflect on Kierkegaard as a result of their<br>
> translation work which set the context for the way they walked their talk<br>
> in the world. I took these bits and pieces from his obituary.<br>
><br>
> Howard entered St. Olaf College in 1930 and graduated in 1934. He studied<br>
> English and.... found himself reading Ibsen, whose volumes he had seen in<br>
> his father's library. He learned from a biography that Ibsen had been<br>
> influenced by Kierkegaard. *The name registered because his father had<br>
> spoken of a farmer he knew who owned books by Kierkegaard. He then began to<br>
> read Kierkegaard, what little there was of his work in English at the time.* Howard<br>
> was a graduate student in English at the University of Minnesota from 1934<br>
> to 1938, when the university awarded him the doctorate. While at Minnesota,<br>
> he took a course with the Kierkegaard scholar David F. Swenson. After<br>
> graduating, he and his new bride Edna Hatlestad went to Copenhagen, learned<br>
> Danish, and translated Kierkegaard's *For Self- Examination* into<br>
> English.<br>
><br>
> Their life- work as Kierkegaard translators had begun. It was to include a<br>
> six-volume edition of Kierkegaard's Journals and Papers (Indiana University<br>
> Press) and the twenty-five volumes of Kierkegaard's Writings (Princeton<br>
> University Press). Howard and Edna Hongs were celebrated and honored for<br>
> their work as translators. In 1968, they won a National Book Award for<br>
> their translation of the first volume of the Journals and Papers; in 1998,<br>
> when the Princeton edition reached its conclusion, the Times Literary<br>
> Supplement (London) said of it:<br>
><br>
> * "All honour to the Hongs: Kierkegaard's Writings is one of the<br>
> outstanding achievements in the history of philosophical translation." *<br>
><br>
> Howard Hong taught philosophy at St. Olaf until he retired in 1978.<br>
><br>
> Howard was appointed to the faculty in 1938, but Howard won a scholarship<br>
> and the Hongs spent that school year in Copenhagen. He taught at St. Olaf<br>
> from 1939 to 1941 then left college to work with prisoners of war in this<br>
> country during World War II. Then he and Edna worked with refugees in<br>
> Germany from 1946 to 1948.<br>
><br>
> In Germany, with his young family, he was both the director of the<br>
> Lutheran World Federation Service to Refugees and the senior field officer<br>
> of the Refugee Division of the World Council of Churches. Back in<br>
> Northfield, he helped resettle over 250 refugees, chiefly from Latvia. In<br>
> the refugee camps, the Hongs saw squalor and lives torn apart by war, yet<br>
> they believed with Kierkegaard's *Works of Love* that "love builds up by<br>
> presupposing that love is present in the ground" or basis of human lives,<br>
> even under the most desperate circumstances. This book inspired the Hongs<br>
> in their work with refugees, and it became their first post-war translation<br>
> project.<br>
><br>
> Howard and Edna also established the Kierkegaard Library, which is housed<br>
> at the college and bears their name. This library was originally their<br>
> private collection. The core of the Kierkegaard Library is a substantial<br>
> reconstruction of Kierkegaard's own library, in the same editions he owned.<br>
> The Hongs gave their library to St. Olaf in 1976 and it has become an<br>
> internationally renowned center of Kierkegaard research.<br>
><br>
> During summer Howard and his family lived at Hovland, next to Lake<br>
> Superior, near the Canadian border. He bought many tracts of land around<br>
> Hovland, logged over by timber companies and sold for taxes, which he<br>
> restored largely at his own expense and according to a plan devised by him<br>
> and an experienced forester. The restoration work was officially recognized<br>
> and in 2001, he and Edna were given the Minnesota Outstanding<br>
> Conservationist Award by the Minnesota Association of Soil and Water<br>
> Conservation Districts. The eminent Kierkegaard scholar, Howard came to<br>
> enjoy introducing himself as a "forester".<br>
><br>
> *Excerpted from Howard Hong's obituary published in the Northfield News on<br>
> March 18, 2010*<br>
><br>
><br>
> *NOTE: When John and Lynda Cock came to Northfield to teach The Faith<br>
> Journey Retreat (RS-1 where 30+ people attended) they visited the<br>
> Kierkegaard Library and discovered a coincidence....they have to tell that<br>
> story. *<br>
><br>
> *Beret*<br>
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Thanks for this. Can anyone point me to the Kierkegaard reference for the statement<br>
?When the external situation produces an internal crisis that raises a life question from which we try to escape, it is at that point that the question of god is raised?. It would be instructive to access the original quote.<br>
<br>
With Respect,<br>
Jim Wiegel<br>
<br>
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 6:38 AM, Mary Kurian D'Souza via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Thank you dear Beret for this vignette.<br>
> Mary<br>
> <br>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Beret Griffith via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Howard Hong and his wife Edna spent much of their lives translating the writings of Kierkegaard into English. He taught at St. Olaf College, my alma mater. I met Howard only a couple of times. His son Erik and his wife Carol are friends of Paul and myself. <br>
>> <br>
>> I'm sending along a part of the story of Howard and Edna because we owe our opportunity to read and reflect on Kierkegaard as a result of their translation work which set the context for the way they walked their talk in the world. I took these bits and pieces from his obituary. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard entered St. Olaf College in 1930 and graduated in 1934. He studied English and.... found himself reading Ibsen, whose volumes he had seen in his father's library. He learned from a biography that Ibsen had been influenced by Kierkegaard. The name registered because his father had spoken of a farmer he knew who owned books by Kierkegaard. He then began to read Kierkegaard, what little there was of his work in English at the time. Howard was a graduate student in English at the University of Minnesota from 1934 to 1938, when the university awarded him the doctorate. While at Minnesota, he took a course with the Kierkegaard scholar David F. Swenson. After graduating, he and his new bride Edna Hatlestad went to Copenhagen, learned Danish, and translated Kierkegaard's For Self- Examination into English. <br>
>> <br>
>> Their life- work as Kierkegaard translators had begun. It was to include a six-volume edition of Kierkegaard's Journals and Papers (Indiana University Press) and the twenty-five volumes of Kierkegaard's Writings (Princeton University Press). Howard and Edna Hongs were celebrated and honored for their work as translators. In 1968, they won a National Book Award for their translation of the first volume of the Journals and Papers; in 1998, when the Princeton edition reached its conclusion, the Times Literary Supplement (London) said of it:<br>
>> <br>
>> "All honour to the Hongs: Kierkegaard's Writings is one of the outstanding achievements in the history of philosophical translation." <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard Hong taught philosophy at St. Olaf until he retired in 1978. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard was appointed to the faculty in 1938, but Howard won a scholarship and the Hongs spent that school year in Copenhagen. He taught at St. Olaf from 1939 to 1941 then left college to work with prisoners of war in this country during World War II. Then he and Edna worked with refugees in Germany from 1946 to 1948. <br>
>> <br>
>> In Germany, with his young family, he was both the director of the Lutheran World Federation Service to Refugees and the senior field officer of the Refugee Division of the World Council of Churches. Back in Northfield, he helped resettle over 250 refugees, chiefly from Latvia. In the refugee camps, the Hongs saw squalor and lives torn apart by war, yet they believed with Kierkegaard's Works of Love that "love builds up by presupposing that love is present in the ground" or basis of human lives, even under the most desperate circumstances. This book inspired the Hongs in their work with refugees, and it became their first post-war translation project. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard and Edna also established the Kierkegaard Library, which is housed at the college and bears their name. This library was originally their private collection. The core of the Kierkegaard Library is a substantial reconstruction of Kierkegaard's own library, in the same editions he owned. The Hongs gave their library to St. Olaf in 1976 and it has become an internationally renowned center of Kierkegaard research. <br>
>> <br>
>> During summer Howard and his family lived at Hovland, next to Lake Superior, near the Canadian border. He bought many tracts of land around Hovland, logged over by timber companies and sold for taxes, which he restored largely at his own expense and according to a plan devised by him and an experienced forester. The restoration work was officially recognized and in 2001, he and Edna were given the Minnesota Outstanding Conservationist Award by the Minnesota Association of Soil and Water Conservation Districts. The eminent Kierkegaard scholar, Howard came to enjoy introducing himself as a "forester".<br>
>> <br>
>> Excerpted from Howard Hong's obituary published in the Northfield News on March 18, 2010<br>
>> <br>
>> NOTE: When John and Lynda Cock came to Northfield to teach The Faith Journey Retreat (RS-1 where 30+ people attended) they visited the Kierkegaard Library and discovered a coincidence....they have to tell that story. <br>
>> <br>
>> Beret<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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My instant response (without thinking about it) is that this the voice of Joe Pierce on a Friday night. Take that for what it's worth. I'm not at all sure that it reflects SK's exact words, but I'd love to get the SK quote.Marshall<br>
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 9:47:57 AM EDT, James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote: <br>
<br>
Thanks for this. ?Can anyone point me to the Kierkegaard reference for the statement?When the external situation produces an internal crisis that raises a life question from which we try to escape, it is at that point that the question of god is raised?. It would be instructive to access the original quote.<br>
<br>
With Respect,Jim Wiegel<br>
On Aug 30, 2019, at 6:38 AM, Mary Kurian D'Souza via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you dear Beret for this vignette.Mary<br>
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Beret Griffith via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<br>
Howard Hong and his wife Edna spent much of their lives translating the writings of Kierkegaard into English. He taught at St. Olaf College, my alma mater. I met Howard only a couple of times. His son Erik and his wife Carol are friends of Paul and myself.?<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm sending along a part of the story of Howard and Edna because we owe our opportunity to read and reflect on Kierkegaard as a result of their translation work? which set the context for? the way they walked their talk in the world. I took these bits and pieces from his obituary.?<br>
<br>
<br>
Howard entered St. Olaf College in 1930 and graduated in 1934. He studied English? and.... found himself reading Ibsen, whose volumes he had seen in his father's library. He learned from a biography that Ibsen had been influenced by Kierkegaard. The name registered because his father had spoken of a farmer he knew who owned books by Kierkegaard. He then began to read Kierkegaard, what little there was of his work in English at the time.?Howard was a graduate student in English at the University of Minnesota from 1934 to 1938, when the university awarded him the doctorate. While at Minnesota, he took a course with the Kierkegaard scholar David F. Swenson. After graduating, he and his new bride Edna Hatlestad went to Copenhagen, learned Danish, and translated Kierkegaard's For Self- Examination into English.?<br>
<br>
Their life- work as Kierkegaard translators had begun. It was to include a six-volume edition of Kierkegaard's Journals and Papers (Indiana University Press) and the twenty-five volumes of Kierkegaard's Writings (Princeton University Press). Howard and Edna Hongs were celebrated and honored for their work as translators. In 1968, they won a National Book Award for their translation of the first volume of the Journals and Papers; in 1998, when the Princeton edition reached its conclusion, the Times Literary Supplement (London) said of it:<br>
<br>
?"All honour to the Hongs: Kierkegaard's Writings is one of the outstanding achievements in the history of philosophical translation."?<br>
<br>
Howard Hong taught philosophy at St. Olaf until he retired in 1978.?<br>
<br>
Howard was appointed to the faculty in 1938, but Howard? won a scholarship and the Hongs spent that school year in Copenhagen. He taught at St. Olaf from 1939 to 1941? then left college to work with prisoners of war in this country during World War II. Then he and Edna worked with refugees in Germany from 1946 to 1948.?<br>
<br>
In Germany, with his young family, he was both the director of the Lutheran World Federation Service to Refugees and the senior field officer of the Refugee Division of the World Council of Churches. Back in Northfield, he helped resettle over 250 refugees, chiefly from Latvia. In the refugee camps, the Hongs saw squalor and lives torn apart by war,? yet they believed with Kierkegaard's Works of Love that "love builds up by presupposing that love is present in the ground" or basis of human lives, even under the most desperate circumstances. This book inspired the Hongs in their work with refugees, and it became their first post-war translation project.?<br>
<br>
Howard and Edna also established the Kierkegaard Library, which is housed at the college and bears their name. This library was originally their private collection. The core of the Kierkegaard Library is a substantial reconstruction of Kierkegaard's own library, in the same editions he owned. The Hongs gave their library to St. Olaf in 1976 and it has become an internationally renowned center of Kierkegaard research.?<br>
<br>
?During summer Howard and his family lived at Hovland, next to Lake Superior, near the Canadian border. He bought many tracts of land around Hovland, logged over by timber companies and sold for taxes, which he restored largely at his own expense and according to a plan devised by him and an experienced forester. The restoration work was officially recognized and in 2001, he and Edna were given the Minnesota Outstanding Conservationist Award by the Minnesota Association of Soil and Water Conservation Districts. The eminent Kierkegaard scholar, Howard? came to enjoy introducing himself as a "forester".<br>
<br>
Excerpted from Howard Hong's obituary published in the Northfield News on March 18, 2010<br>
<br>
<br>
NOTE:? When John and Lynda Cock came to Northfield to teach The Faith Journey Retreat (RS-1 where 30+ people attended) they visited the Kierkegaard Library and discovered a coincidence....they have to tell that story.??<br>
<br>
<br>
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I notice in the RS-1 manual, at least at one place, the first lecture is called ?The Question of God? lecture ? of course followed by the Bultmann seminar and preceded by a meal conversation which I do not now recall<br>
<br>
Anyway, I somehow recall the sentence below as the opening of that lecture, accompanied by writing in the center of the black board ?External Situation?, ?Internal Crisis?, ?Existential Question? and ?Escape? <br>
<br>
With Respect,<br>
Jim Wiegel<br>
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> On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:43 AM, W. J. via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> My instant response (without thinking about it) is that this the voice of Joe Pierce on a Friday night. Take that for what it's worth. I'm not at all sure that it reflects SK's exact words, but I'd love to get the SK quote.<br>
> Marshall<br>
> <br>
> On Friday, August 30, 2019, 9:47:57 AM EDT, James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Thanks for this. Can anyone point me to the Kierkegaard reference for the statement<br>
> ?When the external situation produces an internal crisis that raises a life question from which we try to escape, it is at that point that the question of god is raised?. It would be instructive to access the original quote.<br>
> <br>
> With Respect,<br>
> Jim Wiegel<br>
> <br>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 6:38 AM, Mary Kurian D'Souza via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Thank you dear Beret for this vignette.<br>
>> Mary<br>
>> <br>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Beret Griffith via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Howard Hong and his wife Edna spent much of their lives translating the writings of Kierkegaard into English. He taught at St. Olaf College, my alma mater. I met Howard only a couple of times. His son Erik and his wife Carol are friends of Paul and myself. <br>
>> <br>
>> I'm sending along a part of the story of Howard and Edna because we owe our opportunity to read and reflect on Kierkegaard as a result of their translation work which set the context for the way they walked their talk in the world. I took these bits and pieces from his obituary. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard entered St. Olaf College in 1930 and graduated in 1934. He studied English and.... found himself reading Ibsen, whose volumes he had seen in his father's library. He learned from a biography that Ibsen had been influenced by Kierkegaard. The name registered because his father had spoken of a farmer he knew who owned books by Kierkegaard. He then began to read Kierkegaard, what little there was of his work in English at the time. Howard was a graduate student in English at the University of Minnesota from 1934 to 1938, when the university awarded him the doctorate. While at Minnesota, he took a course with the Kierkegaard scholar David F. Swenson. After graduating, he and his new bride Edna Hatlestad went to Copenhagen, learned Danish, and translated Kierkegaard's For Self- Examination into English. <br>
>> <br>
>> Their life- work as Kierkegaard translators had begun. It was to include a six-volume edition of Kierkegaard's Journals and Papers (Indiana University Press) and the twenty-five volumes of Kierkegaard's Writings (Princeton University Press). Howard and Edna Hongs were celebrated and honored for their work as translators. In 1968, they won a National Book Award for their translation of the first volume of the Journals and Papers; in 1998, when the Princeton edition reached its conclusion, the Times Literary Supplement (London) said of it:<br>
>> <br>
>> "All honour to the Hongs: Kierkegaard's Writings is one of the outstanding achievements in the history of philosophical translation." <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard Hong taught philosophy at St. Olaf until he retired in 1978. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard was appointed to the faculty in 1938, but Howard won a scholarship and the Hongs spent that school year in Copenhagen. He taught at St. Olaf from 1939 to 1941 then left college to work with prisoners of war in this country during World War II. Then he and Edna worked with refugees in Germany from 1946 to 1948. <br>
>> <br>
>> In Germany, with his young family, he was both the director of the Lutheran World Federation Service to Refugees and the senior field officer of the Refugee Division of the World Council of Churches. Back in Northfield, he helped resettle over 250 refugees, chiefly from Latvia. In the refugee camps, the Hongs saw squalor and lives torn apart by war, yet they believed with Kierkegaard's Works of Love that "love builds up by presupposing that love is present in the ground" or basis of human lives, even under the most desperate circumstances. This book inspired the Hongs in their work with refugees, and it became their first post-war translation project. <br>
>> <br>
>> Howard and Edna also established the Kierkegaard Library, which is housed at the college and bears their name. This library was originally their private collection. The core of the Kierkegaard Library is a substantial reconstruction of Kierkegaard's own library, in the same editions he owned. The Hongs gave their library to St. Olaf in 1976 and it has become an internationally renowned center of Kierkegaard research. <br>
>> <br>
>> During summer Howard and his family lived at Hovland, next to Lake Superior, near the Canadian border. He bought many tracts of land around Hovland, logged over by timber companies and sold for taxes, which he restored largely at his own expense and according to a plan devised by him and an experienced forester. The restoration work was officially recognized and in 2001, he and Edna were given the Minnesota Outstanding Conservationist Award by the Minnesota Association of Soil and Water Conservation Districts. The eminent Kierkegaard scholar, Howard came to enjoy introducing himself as a "forester".<br>
>> <br>
>> Excerpted from Howard Hong's obituary published in the Northfield News on March 18, 2010<br>
>> <br>
>> NOTE: When John and Lynda Cock came to Northfield to teach The Faith Journey Retreat (RS-1 where 30+ people attended) they visited the Kierkegaard Library and discovered a coincidence....they have to tell that story. <br>
>> <br>
>> Beret<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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