<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ellie,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, the reality of life is the connectedness of all. Love and compassion is a necessary stance in light of this misunderstanding for sure. As I understand how we defined contradiction we looked for the structural sociological window that emerges when you identify the force that is keeping the current situation from changing. It is the current scientific paradigm that defines what is real and how thinks happen by cause and effect. There is a unifying paradigm that discloses how the creative process happens and provides an integration for both This World and The Other World. Until that paradigm takes root we will not overcome the tragic future we are facing. The Other World has always been present, but for several hundred years the explanation for how things happen have been defined by western left brain thinking and verbal definition, and relegating our other two brains to explanations reduced to “things”. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jack<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 29, 2019, at 18:53, Ellie Stock via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".</span><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Ellie </div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:elliestock@aol.com" class="">elliestock@aol.com</a></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br class="">To: Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br class="">Cc: Robertson Work <<a href="mailto:warkers@msn.com" class="">warkers@msn.com</a>><br class="">Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM<br class="">Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div id="yiv4270718136" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Dear A.M.,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a<span class=""> </span><i class="">separate</i>, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is<span class=""> </span><i class="">separation</i><span class=""> </span>from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">What do you think? </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">In solidarity,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Rob</div></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">................................................................................................</span><br clear="none" class=""></div><div id="yiv4270718136Signature" class=""><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4270718136divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Recent book:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations</i> </span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4270718136OWAAutoLink" target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617</span></a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Blog: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4270718136OWAAutoLink" target="_blank" href="https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/" style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/</span></a><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4270718136OWAAutoLink" target="_blank" href="https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/"></a></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4270718136OWAAutoLink" target="_blank" href="https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/"></a></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;" class="">LinkedIn: </span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4270718136OWAAutoLink" target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/" style="font-size: 14.6667px;">https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/</a><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Facebook: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/" class="">https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/</a> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""></span></div></div><div class=""><div id="yiv4270718136appendonsend" class=""></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16pt;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 904.53125px;" class=""><div class="yiv4270718136yqt4792621277" id="yiv4270718136yqt03634"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4270718136divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>A.M. Noel <<a href="mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com" class="">anthonymarianoel@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?<div class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv4270718136x_gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="">A.M. Noel</div></div></div><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv4270718136x_gmail_quote"><div class="yiv4270718136x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="yiv4270718136x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">John and Colleagues,<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv4270718136x_gmail-m_-6555625506506057445m_-8285457149861814527AppleOriginalContents" style="direction: ltr;"><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv4270718136x_gmail-m_-6555625506506057445m_-8285457149861814527Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p align="center" class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; text-align: center; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 19.97333335876465px;" class="">The Spirit of the 20’s<br clear="none" class=""></span></b><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 14.266666412353516px;" class="">John Epps, August 2019</span></i></p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;"><b class="">The Prevailing Spirit:</b><br clear="none" class="">Our External Situation is best characterized as one of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">THREAT</b>. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">FEAR</b>. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">The Existential Question in this situation is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">We Escape through<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">BLAMESTORMING</b>; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;"><b class="">Towards an Authentic Response:<br clear="none" class=""></b>This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.</p><p class="yiv4270718136x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 17.1200008392334px; font-size: 12pt;">The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. 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