<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Send it along, Jack. Actually, I fear for pretty much all of the existentialist strain of christianity<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">I watched the video. Very good, but I take it this is the new pastor. His comment about “as long as the action doesn’t break the law” really hit me. What does he say about the sit-ins of the civil rights movement? How would he explain Bonhoeffer’s decision to kill Hitler? What makes the law (he says of the establishment) make breaking it a taboo? I wish she would have given back the image of the Trans-establishment. 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I worry about the future for that church.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jack<br class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 4, 2019, at 09:28, Jean Long via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Hi Jim -</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Did you actually go to Shadow Rock and talk to them or was this conversation something you found along the way?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Jean</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:53 PM Linda and Milan Hamilton via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks Jim, if I were to go back to the institutional church that is the kind of group I would be a part of. And it being a part of my old denomination struck me. My second choice would be Redlands UCC, in our town, which has not quite the intentional history but close. But I am in the bleachers cheering them on and doing my best to stay grounded in the Way Life Is. MM<br class=""><br class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:33 AM, James Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" class="">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp57faeb93yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class=""><div class="">North Phoenix. Remember the RS-1 worship intro about architecture? The building is shaped as a wedgeblade and the front is floor to ceiling windows looking out on the world. Wedgeblade instead of a cross.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.shadowrockucc.org/" rel="nofollow" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241enhancr_card_9015861131" target="_blank">Shadow Rock UCC |</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17enhancr_card_9015861131" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-link-enhancr-not-allow-cover gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-link-enhancr-card gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17ymail-preserve-class gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17ymail-preserve-style" style="max-width:400px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.shadowrockucc.org/" style="text-decoration: none;" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-enhancr-cardlink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-ignore-table gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17card-wrapper" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td width="400" class=""><table border="0" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17card gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224,228,233);border-radius:2px"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td class=""><table border="0" class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17card-info gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17yahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:rgb(255,255,255);width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228,233)"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);padding:16px 0px 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px" class=""></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0px 0px 2px" class=""><h2 class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17card-title" style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Shadow Rock UCC |</h2><p class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp9b2edf17card-description" style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,167)"></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp57faeb93signature"><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">Jim Wiegel</a> <br class=""><p class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp57faeb93MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;line-height:18.4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">“That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky." 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<div class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924" class=""><div class="">Well that was a trip back to some good old 20th century grounding. A church actually basing it’s life on RS1 and evolving as a “social pioneer.” Where is Shadow Rock church?<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924AppleMailSignature" class="">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924yqt7694971506" id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924yqt11999"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class="">On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:25 AM, John C via OE <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">
</div></blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924yqt7694971506" id="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924yqt75334"><div class=""><div class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924WordSection1"><p class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924MsoNormal">Thanks much, Jim. A fine 30” dialogue between ministers relative to foundational operating images of Shadow Rock Church then in 1970s and today.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924MsoNormal">Notice that the wedge blade still stands.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="gmail-m_-4732760370799467241ydp90afac12yiv7281903924MsoNormal">John and Lynda C.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<b class="">Reply-To: </b>Jim Wiegel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>>, Order Ecumenical Community <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none" class="">
<b class="">Date: </b>Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 1:32 PM<br clear="none" class="">
<b class="">To: </b>Order Ecumenical Community <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>, Colleague Dialogue <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>, Judith Wiegel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:judithwiegel@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">judithwiegel@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none" class="">
<b class="">Cc: </b>Jim Wiegel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none" class="">
<b class="">Subject: </b>[Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church -- one of the founders was interviewed recently</span></p>
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<em class=""><span class="">We covenant one with another to be that sensitive and responsive part of human society which perceives and responds to God’s newest thrust in the midst of history. The
uniqueness and greatness of every life is radically affirmed. Our task together demands a comprehensive view of life, always pointed intentionally to the future. Our life together involves us individually and corporately in study and worship, always maintaining
a proper balance between proclamation of the Word about life with the deeds which make life good. Those activities which eliminate age barriers, cut across religious dogma, reduce cultural parochialisms, and engage secular people with life’s ultimate possibilities
will be worthy of our best efforts.</span></em></span><span style="font-size:12pt" class=""></span></p>
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