<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Well, one example — the Eucharist is the ritualized remembering of the encounter with (Jesus or Christ, depending I think). Most people I know who feel they’ve had a direct Christ experience have not and do jot have that experience during the Eucharist. It’s like the difference between your experience of your vacation and later in sharing your photos.<div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><div><b>Seth Longacre</b></div><div><a href="mailto:sethlongacre@gmail.com">sethlongacre@gmail.com</a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent from one of my iThingies</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 15, 2018, at 11:39, James Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Seth, you said . . . "<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">but people are getting there because they have actually, directly, experienced Mystery, the divine, G-O-D, there — in their lives here, today, on earth, immanently. They may or may not feel some need to ritually remember that experience. I think many prefer the raw experience to the ritualized remembering of it. But he seems to be oblivious to all this."</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Could you say some more, especially about raw experience / ritualized remembering? Thanks<br><br><div>Jim Wiegel</div><div><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="address" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353</a></div><div><font color="#000000">Tel.</font><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-936-8671" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-936-8671</a><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">or</span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-363-3277" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2/0" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-363-3277</a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</font></a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">www.partnersinparticipation.com</font></a></div><div><div><br></div><div>When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. "But that is not what great ships are built for." Clarissa Pinkola Estes</div></div></div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2018, at 15:30, Seth Longacre <<a href="mailto:sethlongacre@gmail.com">sethlongacre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">but people are getting there because they have actually, directly, experienced Mystery, the divine, G-O-D, there — in their lives here, today, on earth, immanently. They may or may not feel some need to ritually remember that experience. I think many prefer the raw experience to the ritualized remembering of it. But he seems to be oblivious to all this.</blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>