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From: Bill Schlesinger via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
Cc: Bill Schlesinger <<a href="mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net">w.schlesinger@pvida.net</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2018 3:47 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Penance is required<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 20, 2018 1:40 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Penance is required</span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_aolmail_MsoNormal">and not all abusive priests are pedophiles. It’s also not just a structural issue, but a theological one as well. So many seriously screwed up ideas about sex and women believed by these men which, in their minds, justify what happened, or at least leave them not responsible. (e.g. the widely held belief in Evangelical circles that it is the role of women to control men’s uncontrollable sexual urges.)</div>
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<div class="aolmail_aolmail_MsoNormal">On Aug 20, 2018, at 12:34 , Del Morrill via OE <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="aolmail_aolmail_MsoNormal">Unfortunately, marriage is not necessarily an answer to pedophilia. I have worked with too many clients who lived as children with pedophiliacs - fathers, grandfathers, uncles - all married!<br>
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From: OE <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> On Behalf Of Sarah H. Buss via OE<br>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:33 AM<br>
To: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oe@wedgeblade.net">oe@wedgeblade.net</a><br>
Cc: Sarah H. Buss <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:shbuss@mac.com">shbuss@mac.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Oe List ...] Penance is required<br>
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A meditative thought:<br>
If the Catholic Church is to survive, it must allow priests to marry (and women to be priests). That is it’s penance! Otherwise it will continue to be a magnet for pedophiles.<br>
If victims demand it, perhaps this could be a part of their healing process. Others could join in support.<br>
Whatever the Catholic Church’s response, it must be radical, structural, and more than empty words.<br>
Prayers, prayers, and more prayers,<br>
Sarah<br>
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