<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Here's RUMI on the subject of falling:<br><div><br><div><font size="5">The way of love is not<br></font><div><font size="5">a subtle argument<br></font><div><font size="5"><br></font><div><font size="5">The door there<br></font><div><font size="5">is devastation.<br></font><div><font size="5"><br></font><div><font size="5">Birds make great sky circles<br></font><div><font size="5">of their freedom.<br></font><div><font size="5"><br></font><div><font size="5">How do they learn it?<br></font><div><font size="5"><br></font><div><font size="5">They fall, and falling<br></font><div><font size="5">they are given wings.<br></font><div><font size="5"><br></font><div><font size="5">--Rumi<br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 2:51:40 PM PDT, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1570812347"><div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Well, that was just a movie.<br clear="none"><div>But here's another story, and this one is true:<br clear="none"><div>I saw a video that was shot in the lobby of one of the Twin Towers on 9/11. You could hear the SOUND of people hitting the sidewalk outside.<br clear="none"><div>I imagine that a moment of grace was what gave people the freedom to jump and soar for a moment to their certain deaths, knowing that they could no longer live on this earth, but trusting that they were finally going home.<br clear="none">Marshall<br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
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On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 9:52:55 AM PDT, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221"><div><div style="font-family:times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him".<br clear="none"><div><div><div>"'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" <span>can be a moment of grace</span>.<br clear="none"><div>Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff <span>when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! A</span>fter Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!"<br clear="none">"Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery.<br clear="none"></div></div></div>Marshall<br clear="none"></div></div>
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On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221"><div><div>About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter.</div><div id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221AppleMailSignature">Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . .<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Jim Wiegel</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="font-size:13pt;">401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353</a></div><div><font color="#000000">Tel.</font><span style="font-size:13pt;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="font-size:13pt;">011-623-936-8671</a><span style="font-size:13pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">or</span><span style="font-size:13pt;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="font-size:13pt;">011-623-363-3277</a></div><div class="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com"><font color="#000000">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</font></a></div><div class="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/"><font color="#000000">www.partnersinparticipation.com</font></a></div><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span>Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung</span></div></div></div><div><br clear="none">On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> Dear Dawn,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.! </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes….</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>with love from</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Isobel. xx</div><div><br clear="none"><div>
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<br clear="none"><div><div>On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221ydpeddfcd1byiv2289748322"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div>Hi, Mary!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society. </div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh? </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><font color="#26282a">I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet.</font></div><div><font color="#26282a"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font color="#26282a">Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...</font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">G&P,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">The struggle continues,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">Dawn</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">1 John 4:19</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br clear="none"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221ydp9727b2dayiv2289748322yqt0296468817" id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221ydp9727b2dayiv2289748322yqt78562"></div><div class="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221ydp9727b2dayiv2289748322yqt0296468817" id="yiv1570812347ydpf989b0f1yiv6701712221ydp9727b2dayiv2289748322yqt66595"></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><br clear="none"></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>OE mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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