<div dir="ltr">This is good, Jann, and thanks for posting it. It reads like a re-working of the Donatist controversy in the early church. As quick Google reminder said, "<b style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Donatists </b><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">argued that Christian clergy must be faultless for their ministry to be effective and their prayers and sacraments to be valid." </span><div><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">This perspective was declared a heresy and died out around 411 AD, but still appears from time to time. Clergy and theologians, like everyone else are forgiven sinners! As we said in the Daily Office, "We are free to live, for we are a forgiven people." That's not an excuse for manifest mis-deeds but a mandate to "go and sin no more."</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:32 AM, McCabe, Diann A via OE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The movie you mention, John, must have been The Last Temptation of Christ (Kaz).—Diann McCabe<br>
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On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:21 AM, John C via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks for the article, Jann. Many heroes come to mind, e.g., John F. Kennedy. Surprised about Tillich in the article you sent:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeminismandreligion.com%2F2017%2F11%2F17%2Fdoes-the-sexual-misconduct-of-theologians-and-their-writings-endorse-a-theology-of-complicity-in-the-rendering-of-women-as-sexual-temptress-by-cynthia-garrity-bond%2F%23more-38558&data=01%7C01%7Cdm14%40txstate.edu%7C607a68976b754db6e52908d52ddf978b%7Cb19c134a14c94d4caf65c420f94c8cbb%7C0&sdata=nDj%2BBjKYtCyE6DrcsLiyZqzEawCjd5pqfYFTc2IrXFA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://feminismandreligion.<wbr>com/2017/11/17/does-the-<wbr>sexual-misconduct-of-<wbr>theologians-and-their-<wbr>writings-endorse-a-theology-<wbr>of-complicity-in-the-<wbr>rendering-of-women-as-sexual-<wbr>temptress-by-cynthia-garrity-<wbr>bond/#more-38558</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">When we get down to who is without sin, I only think of Jesus, and have even wondered about his deep companionship with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">women in the New Testament—a movie I can’t recall played on this question. Could he have been the son of Abba if he<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">had “made love”? Doubt if we’ll ever know, though he did wrestle mightily as a
<b>human being</b> throughout his life.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">P.S. This bit at the end about the author is interesting<b>:</b>
<b><i>Cynthia Garrity-Bond</i></b><i>, feminist theologian and social ethicist, is completing her doctorate from Claremont Graduate University in women studies in religion, with a secondary focus in theology, ethics and culture. Her research interest includes
feminist sexual theology, transnational feminism, animal theology/welfare, women and incarceration, historical theology with particular emphasis on religious movements of women, agency and resistance to ecclesial authority, embodiment and Mariology.<u></u><u></u></i></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Jann McGuire via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, November 17, 2017 at 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Jann McGuire <<a href="mailto:jannmcguire@gmail.com" target="_blank">jannmcguire@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Oe List ...] Tillich's students might join #MeToo, if any survive<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeminismandreligion.com%2F2017%2F11%2F17%2Fdoes-the-sexual-misconduct-of-theologians-and-their-writings-endorse-a-theology-of-complicity-in-the-rendering-of-women-as-sexual-temptress-by-cynthia-garrity-bond%2F%23more-38558&data=01%7C01%7Cdm14%40txstate.edu%7C607a68976b754db6e52908d52ddf978b%7Cb19c134a14c94d4caf65c420f94c8cbb%7C0&sdata=nDj%2BBjKYtCyE6DrcsLiyZqzEawCjd5pqfYFTc2IrXFA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://feminismandreligion.<wbr>com/2017/11/17/does-the-<wbr>sexual-misconduct-of-<wbr>theologians-and-their-<wbr>writings-endorse-a-theology-<wbr>of-complicity-in-the-<wbr>rendering-of-women-as-sexual-<wbr>temptress-by-cynthia-garrity-<wbr>bond/#more-38558</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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