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#yiv6405534047 </style><div><div class="yiv6405534047WordSection1"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hi Dear A.M.,</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">They are in the RSI Manual which I’m sure is available via the Archives team. It was the “pedagogue’s bible” during the 60s and early 70s when we were teaching RSI and PLC everywhere. I might have a copy somewhere, but jettisoned many of the files we had carried with us for decades when we downsized and moved a year ago. The Archives team will be able to help you. If not, Nan and Bill Grow could probably rattle off all the questions from memory, even now. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D;">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"></span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Grace, peace and love,</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Marilyn</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047yqt3425458245" id="yiv6405534047yqt59712"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>A.M. Noel via OE<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:46 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> A.M. Noel<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">Dear Marilyn Crocker,</div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">Do you still have those questions?</div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">A.M. Noel </div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">206-321-6274</div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047yqt3425458245" id="yiv6405534047yqt99320"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">A.M. Noel</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Marilyn Crocker via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hi Dear Colleagues,</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I am jumping into this dialogue quite late in the game, but wanted to add my two cents. Having spent years modelling and training others to use our facilitation methods, I found the educator groups I worked with most wrestled with developing the “reflective level” questions. Most groups they wanted to leap from data to interpretation to decision.</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">As I recall from our years of using ORID (before it was given such an ugly acronym), the reflective level was far more than “How did that make you feel?” </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Do you remember the Guernica conversation on Saturday night of your first RSI, and how many reflective level questions were presented? It was the series of those kinds of questions like “where would you hang it in your home” and “where have you seen this in your life” etc. that allowed us finally to answer the question, “What would you say to this?”</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Reflective practices are best understood by the religious, because they live them each day. In my experience, the smartest and brightest organizational development stars, even Meg, don’t quite get it.</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Grace, peace and love, Marilyn</span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> OE [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zoe Barley via OE<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:41 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Zoe Barley; Order Ecumenical Community; Order Ecumenical Community; Order Ecumenical Community</span></div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Zoe Barley<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method</div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""> </div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="">And - -</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="">I did find my materials if anyone is interested. One includes the background of the Army's use and guidance on other's use from The Systems Thinker. The other is more detailed guidance from the Guidebook for Learning Reviews. Interestingly, within the Why did it happen? they include "self reflection, non-defensiveness, a willingness to see how each one of us participated in achieving a result none of us desired, or a break through that transcended our hopes." The process only makes sense after an action that had an intent or purpose. On an aside I'm constantly amazed at how many planned events are never recruited with the intent we used for RSIs and then the sponsors wonder why they didn't get enough people. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="">Zoe </span></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor blue;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message----- <br clear="none">From: Zoe Barley via OE <br clear="none">Sent: Oct 25, 2017 8:28 AM <br clear="none">To: Order Ecumenical Community , Order Ecumenical Community <br clear="none">Cc: Zoe Barley <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="">The After Action Review is from the Army's Delta Force, eons ago. Meg's co-author Myron Kellner-Rogers trained the staff where I worked in using it. I may still have the original Delta Force materials. It is effective after a planned event to ask those questions: What happened? etc. and the lessons learned are then applied to the next time. Most recently I'm using an AAR for a research team who is doing sensitive research with school districts on school employee sexual misconduct. As you can imagine it is difficult research to do - but the lessons for prevention are important. They had a difficult time recruiting districts to participate - even tho the study is about policies and practices around an incident not the incident itself. Out of 459 districts, they could only get five to agree to participate. The AAR around recruitment was intended to surface anything to be done differently to engage more districts in this research for future studies.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="">Zoe</span></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor blue;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message----- <br clear="none">From: Don Bushman via OE <br clear="none">Sent: Oct 24, 2017 10:45 AM <br clear="none">To: Order Ecumenical Community <br clear="none">Cc: Don Bushman <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method </span></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I would suggest John, that the news people who ask HOW don't get the reflective, but beginning interpretive, because in our culture the how question begs for explanation, not reaction. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, John Epps via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Yes, the Reflective level is important since our emotional responses are clues to what's going on. But I'm not sure how unique we are to consider that level. Consider the news interviews: "How did that make you feel?" "How did you feel when...?". Asians consider their feelings to be nobody else's business, but we in the West seem to relish parading them for all to see! </span></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Anyway it is a crucial level to address in the ORID conversation format and takes us below the surface.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Randy Williams via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Jack and Seth,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">You are correct, and Meg even says as much. Here’s what she says about the second question (slightly adapted.): People offer their <u>interpretations</u>, which are explored for diversity and commonalities. This reveals a great deal of information beyond the incident. The culture becomes visible around hierarchy, communications and trust.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Here’s her commentary on the third question: Here is where the richness of diverse perceptions can be shaped into learning outcomes that build on the complexity of the situation rather than overly simplified analysis.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I really think what she has structured here is a format for dialogue, which the physicist David Bohm called conversations for the sake of learning. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I do agree that perhaps our most unique contribution to this method was the reflective step. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Randy</span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Jack Gilles via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Randy,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Her `R`question seems to be interpretive to me. I think it is hard for most people to see the necessity of the Reflective level. People don’t know how to process emotional responses or associative events. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Jack<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:00, Randy Williams via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</span></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Colleagues,</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">In her new book Who Do We Choose To Be: Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity, Margaret Wheatley has her own articulation of ORID in four questions which she calls an After Action Review. They are:</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">O—What just happened?</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">R—Why do you think it happened?</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I—What can we learn from this?</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">D—How will we apply these learnings?</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">We have always said that our methods are “life” methods,. Therefore, we didn’t create them, we discovered them. Each time I come across something like this from Wheatley it confirms that they are indeed “life” methods. </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I’ve seen other variations of ORID—for example from Peter Senge, in Catholic social theory, and even from my old professor of church history, Albert Outler. His articulation was, for me, the most memorable, in just three, not four, short questions: What? So What? Now What?</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">As some of you who also sat with him will recall, Outler was not always so concise. </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Randy</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">_______________________________________________</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">OE mailing list</span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a></span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></span></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a></div></div></div><div class="yiv6405534047MsoNormal"> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt3425458245" id="yqt45971">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OE mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>