<div dir="ltr">Colleagues, <div>Marilyn's comment on questions like Where have you seen this in your life? reminded me of conversations that started out as debates and shifted to depth dialogue. Instead of folks arguing about each others ideas, they were caught in sharing their life experience or the life experience of someone else around that idea and wow the energy shifted . </div><div><br></div><div>Doesn't always work of course but sometimes the magic works. </div><div><br></div><div>Peace, </div><div>Jeanette</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Marilyn Crocker via OE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5249454206039914930WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Hi Dear Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">I am jumping into this dialogue quite late in the game, but wanted to add my two cents. Having spent years modelling and training others to use our facilitation methods, I found the educator groups I worked with most wrestled with developing the “reflective level” questions. Most groups they wanted to leap from data to interpretation to decision.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">As I recall from our years of using ORID (before it was given such an ugly acronym), the reflective level was far more than “How did that make you feel?” <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Do you remember the Guernica conversation on Saturday night of your first RSI, and how many reflective level questions were presented? It was the series of those kinds of questions like “where would you hang it in your home” and “where have you seen this in your life” etc. that allowed us finally to answer the question, “What would you say to this?”<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Reflective practices are best understood by the religious, because they live them each day. In my experience, the smartest and brightest organizational development stars, even Meg, don’t quite get it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Grace, peace and love, Marilyn<i><u></u><u></u></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> OE [mailto:<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe-bounces@lists.<wbr>wedgeblade.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zoe Barley via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zoe Barley; Order Ecumenical Community; Order Ecumenical Community; Order Ecumenical Community</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Cc:</b> Zoe Barley<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">And - -<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">I did find my materials if anyone is interested. One includes the background of the Army's use and guidance on other's use from The Systems Thinker. The other is more detailed guidance from the Guidebook for Learning Reviews. Interestingly, within the Why did it happen? they include "self reflection, non-defensiveness, a willingness to see how each one of us participated in achieving a result none of us desired, or a break through that transcended our hopes." The process only makes sense after an action that had an intent or purpose. On an aside I'm constantly amazed at how many planned events are never recruited with the intent we used for RSIs and then the sponsors wonder why they didn't get enough people. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Zoe <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Zoe Barley via OE <br>Sent: Oct 25, 2017 8:28 AM <br>To: Order Ecumenical Community , Order Ecumenical Community <br>Cc: Zoe Barley <br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method <br><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">The After Action Review is from the Army's Delta Force, eons ago. Meg's co-author Myron Kellner-Rogers trained the staff where I worked in using it. I may still have the original Delta Force materials. It is effective after a planned event to ask those questions: What happened? etc. and the lessons learned are then applied to the next time. Most recently I'm using an AAR for a research team who is doing sensitive research with school districts on school employee sexual misconduct. As you can imagine it is difficult research to do - but the lessons for prevention are important. They had a difficult time recruiting districts to participate - even tho the study is about policies and practices around an incident not the incident itself. Out of 459 districts, they could only get five to agree to participate. The AAR around recruitment was intended to surface anything to be done differently to engage more districts in this research for future studies.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black">Zoe<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Don Bushman via OE <br>Sent: Oct 24, 2017 10:45 AM <br>To: Order Ecumenical Community <br>Cc: Don Bushman <br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ORID—A “Life” Method <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I would suggest John, that the news people who ask HOW don't get the reflective, but beginning interpretive, because in our culture the how question begs for explanation, not reaction. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, John Epps via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, the Reflective level is important since our emotional responses are clues to what's going on. But I'm not sure how unique we are to consider that level. Consider the news interviews: "How did that make you feel?" "How did you feel when...?". Asians consider their feelings to be nobody else's business, but we in the West seem to relish parading them for all to see! <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Anyway it is a crucial level to address in the ORID conversation format and takes us below the surface.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Randy Williams via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Jack and Seth,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">You are correct, and Meg even says as much. Here’s what she says about the second question (slightly adapted.): People offer their <u>interpretations</u>, which are explored for diversity and commonalities. This reveals a great deal of information beyond the incident. The culture becomes visible around hierarchy, communications and trust.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Here’s her commentary on the third question: Here is where the richness of diverse perceptions can be shaped into learning outcomes that build on the complexity of the situation rather than overly simplified analysis.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I really think what she has structured here is a format for dialogue, which the physicist David Bohm called conversations for the sake of learning. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I do agree that perhaps our most unique contribution to this method was the reflective step. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Randy<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Randy,<br><br>Her `R`question seems to be interpretive to me. I think it is hard for most people to see the necessity of the Reflective level. People don’t know how to process emotional responses or associative events. <br><br>Jack<br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:00, Randy Williams via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In her new book Who Do We Choose To Be: Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity, Margaret Wheatley has her own articulation of ORID in four questions which she calls an After Action Review. They are:<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">O—What just happened?<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">R—Why do you think it happened?<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I—What can we learn from this?<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">D—How will we apply these learnings?<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We have always said that our methods are “life” methods,. Therefore, we didn’t create them, we discovered them. Each time I come across something like this from Wheatley it confirms that they are indeed “life” methods. <u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I’ve seen other variations of ORID—for example from Peter Senge, in Catholic social theory, and even from my old professor of church history, Albert Outler. His articulation was, for me, the most memorable, in just three, not four, short questions: What? So What? Now What?<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As some of you who also sat with him will recall, Outler was not always so concise. <u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Randy<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">______________________________<wbr>_________________<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">OE mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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