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</head><body><p>RE: Jack's comment below:</p><p> The danger in skipping the Reflective Level is that it moves the conversation too quickly to the Interpretive. The Art Form Conversation Method is so tight that to mess with it seems like a sacrilege. I've seen Kaye Kays (sp?) lead an Academy Ecclesiola down a merry path by drilling the associative and the objective and personal emotional questions down into our innards until we wanted to scream. As a trainee, I copied every question she asked until I had a long and terrifying list. I wonder where that list could be? Maybe I can dig it out. Anyway, sisters and brothers of the Journey, stay the course. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon</p><blockquote type="cite"><div id="ox-d4b353a3c7" style="word-wrap: break-word;" class="">On October 24, 2017 at 11:34 AM Seth Longacre via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br>Oh, I was just going to say the same thing. The reflective really felt missing.<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div style="color: #000000; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="text-indent: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="text-indent: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="text-indent: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="text-indent: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="color: #000000; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;" class=""> Seth T. Longacre</span></div><div style="color: #000000; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;" class=""> Carlsbad, CA</span></div><div style="color: #000000; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="color: #1f497d; font-size: small;"><em class="">"No one man can terrorize a whole nation unless we are all his accomplices” Edward R. Murrow</em></span></div><div style="color: #000000; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #c0504d;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #c0504d;" class="">———-O0ooo—<br class=""> ———–(——)—<br class=""> ————)–-/—-<br class=""> ————(_/-<br class=""> —-ooo0O—-<br class=""> —-(——)—-<br class=""> —–\-–(–<br class=""> ——\_)-</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="">On 24 Oct, 2017, at 10:24 , Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ox-d4b353a3c7-Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Randy,<br class=""><br class="">Her `R`question seems to be interpretive to me. I think it is hard for most people to see the necessity of the Reflective level. People don’t know how to process emotional responses or associative events. <br class=""><br class="">Jack<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:00, Randy Williams via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Colleagues,<br class=""><br class="">In her new book Who Do We Choose To Be: Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity, Margaret Wheatley has her own articulation of ORID in four questions which she calls an After Action Review. They are:<br class=""><br class="">O—What just happened?<br class="">R—Why do you think it happened?<br class="">I—What can we learn from this?<br class="">D—How will we apply these learnings?<br class=""><br class="">We have always said that our methods are “life” methods,. Therefore, we didn’t create them, we discovered them. Each time I come across something like this from Wheatley it confirms that they are indeed “life” methods. <br class=""><br class="">I’ve seen other variations of ORID—for example from Peter Senge, in Catholic social theory, and even from my old professor of church history, Albert Outler. His articulation was, for me, the most memorable, in just three, not four, short questions: What? So What? Now What?<br class=""><br class="">As some of you who also sat with him will recall, Outler was not always so concise. <br class=""><br class="">Randy<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">OE mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br class="">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">OE mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br class="">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><p><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br>OE@lists.wedgeblade.net<br>http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net<br></blockquote></body></html>