<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear colleagues on the Way,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for the prayer Ken- much appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>I too read Richard Rohr every day, and still find depth and meaning to add to my life at 81, and onwards! </div><div><br></div><div> I appreciate all our thoughts Herman and Margaret. They encourage me to ponder further in my quest for good wholesome living. </div><div><br></div><div>In peace and love,</div><div><br></div><div>Isobel. <br><div><div>On 05/10/2017, at 12:07 AM, Herman Greene via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">So nice to hear from you and about your journey Ken. Nice prayer.<div><br></div><div>Herman</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Ken Fisher via OE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Margaret,</p><div>Thank-you for your response.</div><div><br></div><div>I am aware that this thread is about Ken Burn’s Vietnam War series and memories. In Canada, at that time, I was considerably involved in the Anti-War protest movement (SUPA & SDS), protested in front of the American Embassy, in connection with Daniel Berrigan (& Philip), ran American Army deserters over the Ivy Lea Bridge into Canada and helped them establish (false) Canadian identities. In 1968, when I started the process to get a Green Card to immigrate to EI: Chicago, I kept waiting for the RCMP (or the FBI) to catch up with me. It never happened. I had a draft card.</div><div><br></div><div>Activism (the disestablishment) has been ‘my style’ throughout my life. What is recent for me is the experience of being enveloped in the warmth of ‘the all’ and ‘the now’. Thinking 'cause and effect', 'me-them', 'subjective-objective' seems to have melted. Not that I can’t get into it! (And yes, I can say the word ‘Trump’.)</div><div><br></div><div>Like so many, it seems that hopefulness is the only way forward. Over the past few years I have been deeply assisted by ‘our daily Rohr’ with his evocation of oneness and including everything. I am most fortunate to have a weekly, hour-long Facetime collegium with Don Bushman - where for years now, we pursue this conversation. I am most fortunate to be partnered with Patricia who deeply shares this context.</div><div><br></div><div>So it is, at 75, I have become a bit of a one-note orchestra - in eliciting conversation that expands ones mystical experience - of being in it all - all together. It is that cohort among humans on which I rely - for shared gratitude for life and shared loyalty to a new planet. (Does the sun say to the earth, you owe me?)</div><div><br></div><div>I have been attempting to write a simple daily prayer for myself. In conversation with you, I will experiment with the following.</div><div><br></div><div>Love,</div><div><br></div><div>Ken</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Compassionate
cosmos</span><span lang="EN-CA">…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Of the stars, of
the earth,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Of the air, of
the water,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Of the plants, of
the creatures;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Of all, we
live.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">With you, we find
our meaning.</span></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Grace us with
your presence.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">As we are given
life by life itself,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">May we choose all
to love.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Trusting in
your endless hospitality,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Be it so.</p>
<div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Oct 1, 2017, at 2:40 AM, Isobel Bishop via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Thankyou Ken <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>On 28 Sep 2017, at 1:14 am, Margaret Aiseayew via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class="m_8896256592615107265WordSection1"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am sorry to say that even though I appreciate your secular pater noster,<span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am still concerned with asking the cosmos for forgiveness for all the times I have stepped heavily on the earth. It seems that admitting our culpability is essential to moving forward. I could go on and on. I am not trying to say that guilt is necessary, but it seems like co-creation requires a trust based in honesty. Margaret<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span>OE [<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:oe-bounces@lists.<wbr>wedgeblade.net</a>]<span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ken Fisher via OE<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:24 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span>George Holcombe; Order Ecumenical Community<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_8896256592615107265Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Oe List ...] conversation on white trash racism<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">Friends,<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">Both through recent experiences and 'our daily Rohr', I’d like to share with you my wording of a current secular ‘pater noster'.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">Compassionate cosmos...</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">In which we live,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">and with whom we find our meaning,</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">Grace us with your presence.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">Support our freedom to be love as we are loved.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">Trusting in your never-ending hospitality,</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">So be it.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-CA">And, as I have already shared, I love this poem by </span>Hafiz.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">The sun never says to the earth, “You owe me.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">Look what happens with a love like that.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">It lights the whole sky.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">Feeling the warmth of the sun (the immediate sustainer of our habitat) and wanting to ‘be sun too’,<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:ArialMT,serif">Ken<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" 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