<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">My own experience has been that people who live in different worlds have more that a little difficulty talking with each other. I have more than a few relatives and others who live in a racist world with far different views on the economy, the poor, etc. They sometimes use the same words and mean the opposite. I do not find they are up for conversation, idea sharing or interest in learning other views. I have never found any of the religious or spiritual approaches do more that aggravate the relationship. They know who you are, just as you do them. Polite passing of words is about all you can do. On a rare occasion I have had one or two seek me out after a severe trauma in their life. Even then, sorting out the fears and looking for new horizons can be a difficulty because they sense disloyalty to their ideology and their friends. I remember an HIV patient's father I was attending back in the 80’s, his father cursed him out on his death bed for being gay, while his mother wept. It was more than a tragic scene. But there is always hope. Almost 5 yrs. later attending a meeting of parents with HIV children the couple showed up very positive and supportive. Never learned what caused the turn around.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 27, 2017, at 5:53 AM, mary hampton via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Marshall,</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Many colleagues have sent words of wisdom.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would add only one piece of founder’s wisdom – from George Fox, Quaker, aka Religious Society of Friends.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“recognize that of God in every person” and if that is not hard enough “Go cheerfully through the world, recognizing that of God in every person.”</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Obviously the rub is when every or any person does not mirror an aspect of God we admire or want to see!</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Grace, Peace, Love and Light</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Mary hampton </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">Mail</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for Windows 10</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">W. J. via OE</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:synergi@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">W. J.</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Oe List ...] conversation on white trash racism</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Last night I was stunned to overhear my next-door neighbors sitting on their front porch and loudly spewing forth their toxic honky racist shit.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_126297" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">This was in the wake of Trump's Alabama comments that stirred up a lot of racist indignation that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_154186" class="">denied there was anything 'racial' involved in protesting against racism</i>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34053" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">It was not just the nasty content, but more the tone of their comments and their South Carolina accents that were just so offensive to have to overhear. I closed my window, but that didn't stop their conversation from seeping into my living room like sewage in a Texas flood.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34222" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Among their themes:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34259" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">1. They're still fighting their version of the Civil War, which was not about slavery, since "poor white folks had to pick cotton too".<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34314" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">2. They still hate Martin Luther King, Jr. and resent the fact that everywhere they go, there has to be a 'Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard' in town.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34351" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">3. Their sense of white entitlement allows them to consider themselves 'better than' black people or more 'civilized'.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34719" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">4. Their cultural values--including their racism--are considered normative. Thus their racist biases are invisible to them.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34720" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">5. Other racial groups are considered intruders (unless they are 'silent' and subservient and don't 'rock the boat' of white superiority).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34672" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">6. Genocide is implicitly OK--especially if it can be justified under 'war' conditions. There was a story about Marines wiping out one quarter million Muslims on an island. That was a good way to 'fix<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">that</i>problem'. Other racial/ethnic/religious groups are considered subhuman and can be treated accordingly.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34764" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I could go on, but my point is that I just don't<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34913" class="">like</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>these neighbors. Fortunately, they're not around that often. And since they're old, they will soon die off, taking their racist prejudices with them. They are shrinking minority desperately holding out against cultural change.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34865" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">But they--and millions like them--elected Donald Trump. So we have to deal with a white racist cultural backlash with global implications.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_34972" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">So here I am, surrounded by Trump voters like Davey Crockett at the Alamo (yes, I'm aware of the <a href="https://www.texasobserver.org/remember-alamo-differently/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">racist imagery</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>here). And even if these folks never say another word, they still<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">think</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>like racist '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">poor white trash</a>' who had to compete with other economically disadvantaged groups.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_200820" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I realize that I benefit enormously from 'white male privilege'--including the advantages of a perspective informed by global experience, advanced education, a multicultural context, and a determination to examine and confront my own implicit/unconscious assumptions of white racist privileging.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_115229" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I'd like to begin a conversation that will explore how to survive and thrive and even support cultural change/transformation in this context--without getting pot shots aimed at my living room.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_227428" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Marshall Jones<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_112226" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506346700085_112005" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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