<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19712">Dear Susan and Noel,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_20779">My family was directly affected by the conflict between Japan and our colonial rulers. Several of them died when the British, who fled when the Japanese invaded, sent their bombers to blow up the railway workshops in Bangsar where many of my close relatives worked and lived. I do know of the violence and cruelty inflicted by both sides on each other as well as on Malaya's population.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr">We should not worry about whether our discussions cause any of us to feel offended. What is important is whether we are willing to seek the truth even if it challenges the beliefs that give us comfort. You may feel the former government of your country was justified in bombing Japan. I do not. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr">But I don't really want to divert our discussion into a defense or attack against the US. That is not the point I wanted to raise in my email although I admit I strayed. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr">My question is whether Chardin, whom we as the Order have quoted on many occasions, was the impartial visionary we believed him to be and how that squares with the undertones of approval he seems to display in his references to the bombing of Japan and the makers of the nuclear bomb.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_27140"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498757901244_19711" dir="ltr">Dharma</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 24px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 30 June 2017, 2:32, A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv4650310142"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Dharma, </div><div>I wish you could have talked to my Parents or my eldest sister how it was for them during the Japanese occupation of Malaysia. </div><div>A. M. Noel </div><div>206-321-6274</div></div><div class="yiv4650310142gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="yiv4650310142gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">A.M. Noel</div></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div class="yiv4650310142gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv4650310142gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv4650310142yqt5792552598" id="yiv4650310142yqt41743"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><span id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43995">I've been reading "The Future of Mankind" by Chardin</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_44821" target="_blank" href="http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=2287&C=2169">http://www.religion-online. org/showchapter.asp?title= 2287&C=2169</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833">I'm disturbed to find how he glosses over the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. He even refers to the "bold experimenters in Arizona" and notes that "they were praying" as they experimented with the bomb. To me, that chapter supports the official fiction of the US government that they designed and used the bomb for the benefit of mankind rather than their desire to dominate and exploit other nations. Chardin's Mass on the World is moving to listen to but his position on this major event, which to me exemplifies "evil", reveals that he is either naive or is alienated from reality. Now I wonder if his mass and other poetry is one of the opiates that religion has been accused of producing.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833">Dharma </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yui_3_16_0_1_1498729534313_43833"><br clear="none"></div> <div class="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, 29 June 2017, 23:42, via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557y_msg_container"><div id="yiv4650310142m_902066480574645557yiv6727071868"><div><font color="black" face="arial" size="2">I watched an hour-long interview of Thomas Berry re Teilhard's philosophy. He said his theology was the greatest turning point since Paul, AND that Teilhard did not see mankind in communion with the rest of creation, but as the dominant party. I didn't state it as well as Thomas did, but you can find it by following links.<br clear="none">
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<div>Just watched that very powerful video and went through the links that followed till I came to this very disturbing statement: After the Bikini test, Teilhard exclaimed that the new bombs “show a humanity which is at peace both internally [217] and externally.” And he added beatifically, “they announce the coming of the spirit on earth.” </div>
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>See attached Mass on the World. We are stopping by Margaret's on Friday (God willing and the van don't break down). Maybe we can play with this.<br clear="none">
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