<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Oh, my, quite a conversation . . . And a pushy couple of pages from the link that Dharmalingham sent re: Chardin's reflection on the first nuclear explosion tests.<br>By the way, I think it was in New Mexico, not Arizona.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Dharma seemed to me to raise the question of the real motivation behind nuclear fission research -- benefit of mankind or US domination. Chardin, at the end of that piece says, </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div id="AppleMailSignature">Is it the Promethean or Faustian spirit: the spirit of autonomy and solitude; Man with his own strength and for his own sake opposing a blind and hostile Universe; the rise of consciousness concluding in an act of possession?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Is it the Christian spirit, on the contrary: the spirit of service and of giving; Man struggling like Jacob to conquer and attain a supreme center of consciousness which calls to him; the evolution of the earth ending in an act of union?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Spirit of force or spirit of love? Where shall we place true heroism, where look for true greatness, where recognize objective truth?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div>Jim Wiegel</div><div><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="address" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353</a></div><div><font color="#000000">Tel.</font><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-936-8671" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-936-8671</a><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">or</span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-363-3277" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2/0" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-363-3277</a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</font></a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">www.partnersinparticipation.com</font></a></div><div><div><br></div><div>This Is Just To Say</div><div>BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS</div><div>I have eaten</div><div>the plums</div><div>that were in</div><div>the icebox</div><div><br></div><div>and which</div><div>you were probably</div><div>saving</div><div>for breakfast</div><div><br></div><div>Forgive me</div><div>they were delicious</div><div>so sweet</div><div>and so cold</div></div></div><div><br>On Jun 29, 2017, at 20:37, Isobel Bishop via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Yes Amen to that Susan..🎆💝🎇<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 30 Jun 2017, at 10:25 am, Susan Fertig <<a href="mailto:sfertig@blueskytech.us">sfertig@blueskytech.us</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>The forgiveness is what I hoped to convey in my earlier message, along with the concept that new generations are not accountable for their forefather's actions. But I neglected to say that I believe we, all of us, old like me (and including myself) and
young like many of our friends, would benefit from avoiding sweeping indictments of such actions as have been wrought in every war (whether WWII or Rwanda or Bosnia or the Middle East) since war involves such complex motivations and mistakes on all sides.
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<div>For me it has to do with his own awareness of Creation and all that is, was and ever shall be.<br>
We are most fortunate to live in a time when for many of us in our world we now trust the wisdom that we live in a 'web if relationships ' I simply love and feel awed about being closely related to the stars!</div>
<div>Journey on and thanks for the 'chat'.</div>
<div>Btw, the Movie ' A Quiet Passion about Emily Dickinson- is and exceptional Film, in my view.</div>
<div>In peace and love,</div>
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<div>We Aussies have ( most of us) put behind us the unspeakable atrocities inflicted on our brave veterans in WW2 by the Japanese. We here we all affected. Forgiveness is a gentle act.. <br>
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bomb. To me, that chapter supports the official fiction of the US government that they designed and used the bomb for the benefit of mankind rather than their desire to dominate and exploit other nations. Chardin's Mass on the World is moving to listen to
but his position on this major event, which to me exemplifies "evil", reveals that he is either naive or is alienated from reality. Now I wonder if his mass and other poetry is one of the opiates that religion has been accused of producing.</div>
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<div>Just watched that very powerful video and went through the links that followed till I came to this very disturbing statement: After the Bikini test, Teilhard exclaimed that the new bombs “show a humanity which is at peace both internally [217] and externally.”
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