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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Margaret--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Two items--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>1. A Salida Colorado friend asked
that we study Buber's book, "I and Thou." We discovered that the book is almost
impossible to read because of Buber's <STRONG>worldview</STRONG> (pre-Post
Modern and years and years ahead of his time) and <STRONG>cultural bias</STRONG>
(Buber is a Jew and raised by his Hasidic father). Spark Notes
are a blessing. I have a rough chart of the last translation of "I and Thou"
from the German by Walter Kaufmann--should anybody be
interested.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>2. In the spirit of "what the
hell," please explain to me the change in your name to an obvious (or maybe
not-so-obvious) play on the word "Aiseayew." If I've overstepped my bounds,
please ignore this request. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Inner Peace, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Bill Salmon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Margaret Aiseayew via OE</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=randycw1938@gmail.com
href="mailto:randycw1938@gmail.com">'Randy Williams'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">'Order Ecumenical Community'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: More
on The Order</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sorry
to have misled you. “Dream of the Earth” is Thomas Berry. We think
we can change things by dreaming about them. Berry makes it clear that
we must listen to the earth, a living, breathing, dreaming organism in its own
right.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Both
Berry and Buber are on my list of saints.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Apologies
again for misleading you, Margaret<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Randy Williams
[mailto:randycw1938@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:55
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Margaret Aiseayew<BR><B>Cc:</B> Order Ecumenical Community;
James Wiegel<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: More on The
Order<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Margaret,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Buber has come to be one of my most valued saints, but I
don't think I've read this piece by him. Could you summarize his point
regarding "of" rather than "about."<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Randy<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:39
AM, Margaret Aiseayew <<A
href="mailto:aiseayew@netins.net">aiseayew@netins.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
would encourage people to consider rereading “Dream of the Earth” very
carefully, which represents Buber’s perspective clearly. It was
not titled ‘dream about the earth.’</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Margaret</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> OE [<A
href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Randy Williams via OE<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June
21, 2017 8:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> James Wiegel; Order Ecumenical
Community<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: More on The
Order</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>The reference to Kazantzakis, Boulding and Hesse are
helpful reminders that the crimson line, invisible college, league, etc. has
been, is, and ever shall be. I believe the task does not change but the
metaphors that hold it do. For example, these days I am less informed and
inspired by the image of "upagainstness" and more informed and motivated by
Buber's (I paraphrase) "participating in what wants to emerge." The latter
is a reminder for me that this is not something we initiated but something
ongoing that we are called to participate in. Visioning then becomes, not
the imposition of my fondest hopes and dreams on the future, but my
understanding of what it is that wants to emerge that I/we are called to be
part of.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Randy<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>On Jun 21, 2017, at 7:31
AM, James Wiegel via OE <<A
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Does Kazantzakis in Saviors of God, and Boulding's
Invisible College also apply? Been reading, charting Saviors,
looking at the whole Bultmann paper, Desmond Avery's chapter on God from
Beyond Power, also Niebuhr's three responsibilities of the church for
society.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal>What are we finally upagainst these days? What is
our responsibility? What wisdom on all this do we have to share with
the living, the dead, the unborn, not to mention "kids" now in their
40's?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jim Wiegel<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><A href="x-apple-data-detectors://0"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt">401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona
85353</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Tel.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt"> </SPAN><A href="tel:011-623-936-8671"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt">011-623-936-8671</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt"> or </SPAN><A
href="tel:011-623-363-3277"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13pt">011-623-363-3277</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><A href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><A href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">www.partnersinparticipation.com</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>This Is Just To Say<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I have eaten<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>the plums<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>that were in<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>the icebox<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>and which<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>you were probably<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>saving<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>for breakfast<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Forgive me<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>they were delicious<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>so sweet<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>and so cold<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>On Jun 19, 2017, at
19:23, William Salmon via OE <<A
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Thanks John for clarifying what we were and what we are now. Once you
are on the "Journey to the East" (Hesse--thank you very much!), there is
no going back or getting off. Do you want to know what the current
manifestation of <EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
Order </SPAN></EM>looks like then look in the mirror. Also, there
is a growing panoply of Order Saints cheering us on; among them is a
little old white-haired man with a stutter--we can find him in Room E.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Bill Salmon</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----
Original Message ----- </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Rod Rippel via OE</A>
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=jlepps39@gmail.com href="mailto:jlepps39@gmail.com">John
Epps</A> ; <A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</A> ;
<A title=oe@wedgeblade.net href="mailto:oe@wedgeblade.net">Order
Ecumenical Community</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Thursday,
June 15, 2017 9:44 AM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Oe
List ...] The Order and Oaxtapec</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: black">Thanks John,
For reminding us that The Order is a Dynamic that takes on many forms
in ways unnoticed and catalytic in
society.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: black">Rod
Rippel</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
John Epps via OE </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:57 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Order Ecumenical Community </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
[Oe List ...] The Order and
Oaxtapec</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">It has long been claimed
that at the Oaxtapec gathering, the Order was called out of being.
That assertion has long troubled me, and it seems time to clear the
air.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">IMHO, the statement is both
sociologically and theologically inaccurate. A more accurate
formulation of what happened in Mexico was that we went from a
structured to a dispersed form. Something was definitely dissolved at
Oaxtapec, but it was not the Order, only a particular form of the
Order.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On the sociological side,
there is still a lively “we” that once went under the name “Order
Ecumenical.” This list-serve and the archives workshops represent some
manifestations, but more significant are the personal collegial
relationships that persist despite great demographic, cultural, and
geographic differences. “We” continue to communicate and to celebrate
the life milestones of each other. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">“We” continue to engage in
the mission of catalyzing and caring for those who care – in multiple
sectors and with far greater impact than a single organization could
have managed. Some examples include the ToP Network, the IAF, ICA
community development work in India, Nepal, Australia, and South
America, and environmental preservation efforts in the USA. “We” have
published a good number of books making insights available to a wide
audience. Colleagues could fill out the list. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Theologically, the Order is
a historical dynamic that we’ve been privileged to participate in. It
is not something we can disband, even if we wanted to. Just as Niebuhr
described the Church as the “sensitive and responsive ones…” that
takes many forms, so also is the Order composed of those awakened and
catalytic ones who care for those who care. The notion that some of us
could dissolve that dynamic confuses the form from the content (the
baby from the bathwater to use a less abstract metaphor). I’ve come
(reluctantly) to see that we were led to dissolve a particular
structure so that the historical dynamic might continue in an enhanced
fashion. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Why does this matter? Is it
simply a verbal difference having little to do with anything except
the neurosis of an old theologian? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">It matters because thinking
that there is no longer an Order prevents us from wrestling with
pertinent questions: How can we remain in touch with the Profound
Mystery? How can we continue to access our common insights? What rites
and celebrations are appropriate to a dispersed body? How can we
account to each other and support each other? How can we stay on the
religious and secular edge? What (if any) forms are appropriate for
the global and diverse participants in this historical dynamic? In a
time when hatred and fear of differences is so rampant, what new
experiments might make a difference? What might we learn from
<U>Journey to the East</U>?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Collegial comments,
clarifications, corrections, and additions are most
welcome.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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