<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Now I know-- Thanks Len.</div><div>I always enjoy the before and after Music..</div><div>Cheers from down here,</div><div>Isobel<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 18 Apr 2017, at 3:12 pm, Len Hockley via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Does everyone know the story of how we
      got preludes and postludes in our services?  It goes something
      like:<br>
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      In the reformation the Calvinists and others decided that there
      would be no music in the service but that was the last straw for
      many and so added music before and after.<br>
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      Len <br>
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      On 4/17/2017 4:31 PM, Susan Fertig via OE wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Worship
            music is such an interesting part of worship. “What Child is
            This” was set to the music for “Greensleeves,” which was a
            song about a prostitute. For many years churches refused to
            allow organ music, considering it profane. Now organ music
            is standard, but drums are still controversial in some
            congregations. In my church, we have a very traditional Rite
            I Eucharist at 8 am, a blended (mostly traditional) Service
            at 9 am, and a contemporary Service at 11 am. The 8 am
            Service is small (about 100 people); the 9 am and 11 am each
            draw about 1,000 people on a normal Sunday. On Christmas and
            Easter we add a Service to accommodate the “Chreasters” who
            only come on those special days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
            must admit that unconventional worship music was one of the
            powerful draws for me in the Spirit Movement—my heart leapt
            and danced and I was entranced. Then somewhere along the
            way, in mainstream worship Services, I began to feel that
            contemporary “Praise Music” was sort of “over the top” and
            emotionally manipulative, or, as a Baptist friend put it,
            “spirit candy.” I had to be wooed back to it over time (<i>2
              Samuel</i> helped as I realized that David himself was
            “over the top” in worship and dancing). Now one of my
            favorite contemporary hymns is by the group Hillsong: “<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcnfT4arZtI">I
              Surrender</a>” (it lifts my heart to renewed commitment
            every time I hear it).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In
            terms of musical grandeur that seems inconsistent with the
            NT lifestyle and “more appropriate to royalty than to us,”
            as you put it, I don’t really have any difficulty with
            that—it seems only natural that we would offer the best of
            the artistry available to us for worship, the best of our
            creativity for the Creator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">Susan<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#080808"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">Susan
            Fertig-Dykes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">(personal
            email account)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus">And the Lord
              shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in
              drought .  Isaiah 58:11</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
            MS";color:#080808"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Protect
            against email address harvesting:<br>
            Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">delete
            senders’ E-Mail addresses when forwarding.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"><br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">NOTE: I won’t be
            offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans
            MS";color:#080808"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> OE
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Epps via OE<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 17, 2017 5:50 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Thomas Morrison <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:2tjmorrison@gmail.com"><2tjmorrison@gmail.com></a>;
            Order Ecumenical Community <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Easter Reflections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Easter
              Reflection #2:</b> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’ve
            never heard anything like it.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
            ordinary mode of beginning the Sunday worship service at
            Montview Presbyterian Church is the sound of chimes after
            which the congregation is invited to quietly make the
            transition from getting there to being there. This Sunday,
            being Easter, the sanctuary was overflowing with people
            enthusiastically greeting each other with churchy cordiality
            and requests from the front to move closer together in the
            pews to accommodate more people. I was sitting quietly
            waiting for the chimes, hoping to be able to hear them over
            the din, and looking forward to a few moments of silence to
            absorb the beauty of the surroundings.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Suddenly
            from the choir loft came a deafening crash of cymbals
            followed by a brass and organ fanfare that filled the gothic
            architecture with ear-splitting wonder that lasted a full 5
            minutes. After the final grand chord, the congregation was
            speechless. The impact was powerful and profound, setting
            the tone for something grand about to happen. For me, if
            nothing else occurred during the service, the Easter wonder
            had happened.
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
            piece was Grand Choeur Dialogue by Eugene Gigout; you can
            find it at:
            <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufxt80iVA0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufxt80iVA0</a><span style="color:#006621">
              </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
            that was only the first musical treat. The brass and organ
            and choir continued their gift of awe-producing sounds
            during the hymns, anthem, and offertory anthem.
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtIRp3Vglw"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtIRp3Vglw</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#006621">
            </span>was the anthem.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">By
            the time we left, I was done in, having experienced
            something of a resurrection.<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#006621"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Since
            then,<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
            </span>I’ve been wrestling with the thought that such
            grandeur was not at all like the lifestyle portrayed in the
            New Testament. Though it clearly portrays the significance
            of the Easter event for Christians, the music and setting
            seemed more appropriate to royalty than to us. Recent Public
            TV shows featuring Henry VIII picture a setting in which
            this type of music would have been right at home. Maybe the
            point is that awe happens in the midst of the ordinary as
            surprises sometime break through that are not of our doing.
            If, as I have contended elsewhere, surprises are where we
            are confronted by Mystery, that certainly happened at the
            Denver Montview Presbyterian Church (a former Galaxy church
            once co-pastored by Ken Barley) on Easter Sunday, 2017.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Thomas
              Morrison via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Adding to the discussion . . .<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">We in the USA generally define
                    reality as having four dimensions:  length, width,
                    height and time.<br>
                    It is a choice we have made, and is nicely
                    measureable with our existing instruments and chosen
                    senses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Mathematically we could have
                    five, six, whatever number of dimensions we
                    would want to explore.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">As far as our senses go, there
                    are others beyond the usual USA list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I bump into this as a psychiatric
                    therapist from time to time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Again, I choose to pay attention
                    to the experiences or not, depending on how
                    important it is to the client (or me--grin).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Tom Morrison<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:52 AM,
                    Jack Gilles via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Susan,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Happy Easter to you as
                          well! I was wondering how you would describe
                          the dimension you speak of? I happen to agree
                          with you, but I use the term Void, which is
                          the eternal, existing along side the
                          time/space experience. The Other World in the
                          midst of this world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Grace & Peace,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Jack<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2017, at
                                12:14, Susan Fertig via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Isn’t
                                          your hip out of socket yet,
                                          James? All that wrestling with
                                          the Archangel…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Surrender
                                          and rejoice, friend. The
                                          Resurrection is real, not a
                                          metaphor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Neither
                                          is it a 3-tiered universe;
                                          just another dimension
                                          altogether.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">Susan</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#080808"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">Susan
                                            Fertig-Dykes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808">(personal
                                            email account)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#080808"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Papyrus">And
                                              the Lord shall guide thee
                                              continually, and satisfy
                                              thy soul in drought . 
                                              Isaiah 58:11</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic
                                            Sans MS";color:#080808"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic
                                            Sans MS";color:#080808"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Protect
                                            against email address
                                            harvesting:<br>
                                            Use "BCC" when sending to
                                            multiple addresses;<span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">delete
                                            senders’ E-Mail addresses
                                            when forwarding.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">NOTE:
                                            I won’t be offended if you
                                            ask me to remove you from my
                                            emails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic
                                            Sans MS";color:#080808"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OE [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>]<span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                                Behalf Of<span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span></b>James
                                              Wiegel via OE<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b><span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                                              April 16, 2017 12:24 PM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b><span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span>Mary
                                              Kurian DSouza <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marykdsouza@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">marykdsouza@gmail.com</span></a>>;
                                              Order Ecumenical Community
                                              <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b><span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                              [Oe List ...] Easter
                                              Reflections</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you
                                          for the reflections and the
                                          reminiscences.  I must admit I
                                          am wrestling some this week
                                          and still at Easter morn.  We
                                          get netflix dvds sent to us
                                          and last night, as we paused
                                          from getting ready for the
                                          potluck we are hosting, we
                                          watched the dvd we got in the
                                          mail.  Martin Scorceses
                                          SILENCE, about Jesuit priests
                                          on mission in Japan in the
                                          1600's.  Lots of persecutions,
                                          apostasy as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">All this
                                          for the metaphor of death and
                                          rebirth?  Hmmmm.  I read over
                                          the christ lecture transcribed
                                          in Bending History as well as
                                          the bits of the gospels. 
                                          Deepened the wrestling.  All
                                          complicated by a 10 year old
                                          grandson who has decided to be
                                          baptized today.  Have to stop
                                          here and go hide easter eggs .
                                          . .<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Jim
                                            Wiegel<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">401
                                              North Beverly Way,
                                              Tolleson, Arizona 85353</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Tel.<span style="font-size:13.0pt"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:011-623-936-8671" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:purple">011-623-936-8671</span></a><span style="font-size:13.0pt"> or </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:011-623-363-3277" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:purple">011-623-363-3277</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                              are no longer living in an
                                              era of change.  We are
                                              living in a change of
                                              era."  Francis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            public course opportunities
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                                              online registration go to </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.top-training.net/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:purple">http://www.top-training.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">The AZ
                                            ToP® Community of Practice
                                            meets the 1st Friday, 1-4
                                            pm, starting again on Sept
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">AICP
                                            Planners: 14.5 CM for all
                                            ToP® courses<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                        On Apr 15, 2017, at 19:52, Mary
                                        Kurian DSouza via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>>
                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Nancy<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">What a
                                              lovely window of
                                              remembrance to look
                                              through<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thank
                                              you for sharing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Mary<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                            On 16-Apr-2017, at 6:36 AM,
                                            Nancy Trask via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>>
                                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
                                              vividly remember Easter
                                              mornings in the OKC RH
                                              with Bill & Marianna
                                              Bailey.  First of all,
                                              Bill Bailey's resonating
                                              wake-up accompanied by the
                                              gong.  Barb Garrison &
                                              I played the Hallelujah
                                              Chorus on the baby grand. 
                                              Breakfast included a huge
                                              slab of salmon.  Oh my
                                              goodness -- If life had
                                              caused you to need some
                                              patching up, the best
                                              prescription would be 4
                                              years in the OKC RH with
                                              Bill & Marianna. 
                                              Thank you for those
                                              experiences, Marianna!<br>
                                              All the best,<br>
                                              Nancy Trask<br>
                                               <br>
                                              ----- Original Message
                                              -----<br>
                                              From: Marianna Bailey via
                                              OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>><br>
                                              To: Frank Knutson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:f.knutson@earthlink.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">f.knutson@earthlink.net</span></a>>,
                                              Order Ecumenical Community
                                              <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>><br>
                                              Sent: Sat, 15 Apr 2017
                                              19:37:37 -0400 (EDT)<br>
                                              Subject: Re: [Oe List ...]
                                              Easter Reflections<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                  have been
                                                  reminiscing...<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Does
                                                    anyone remember
                                                    Easter Sunday in the
                                                    Religious House? A
                                                    very special day for
                                                    the "wake up"
                                                    ritual.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Marianna<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                        Sent from my
                                                        iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                                        On Apr 15, 2017,
                                                        at 4:00 PM,
                                                        Frank Knutson
                                                        via OE <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</span></a>>
                                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Thank’s
                                                          John, for the
                                                          reminder.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white"><br>
                                                          “And once the
                                                          storm is over
                                                          you won’t
                                                          remember how
                                                          you made it
                                                          through, how
                                                          you managed to
                                                          survive. You
                                                          won’t even be
                                                          sure, in fact,
                                                          whether the
                                                          storm is
                                                          really over.
                                                          But one thing
                                                          is certain.
                                                          When you come
                                                          out of the
                                                          storm you
                                                          won’t be the
                                                          same person
                                                          who walked in.
                                                          That’s what
                                                          this storm’s
                                                          all about”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white">~Haruki
                                                          Murakami</span></b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <VIKING
                                                          copy.jpeg></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
                                                          Symbol",sans-serif;color:#FF2600">❤</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Hobo
                                                          Std",sans-serif;color:#FF2600"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Hobo
                                                          Std",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">Frank</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Hobo
                                                          Std",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">  
                                                              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">On
                                                          Apr 15, 2017,
                                                          at 10:19 AM,
                                                          John Epps via
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">Coming
                                                          to terms with
                                                          the meaning<br>
                                                          of the Easter
                                                          story for us
                                                          is difficult
                                                          since times
                                                          and
                                                          world-views
                                                          have<br>
                                                          changed. We
                                                          find it
                                                          difficult even
                                                          to grasp what
                                                          it meant for
                                                          those who
                                                          first<br>
                                                          told it, much
                                                          less for us.
                                                          Yet we are
                                                          compelled to
                                                          try by Paul’s
                                                          admonition,<br>
                                                          “If Christ is
                                                          not raised,
                                                          then our faith
                                                          is in vain.”
                                                           (I Cor.
                                                          15:14)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">One
                                                          factor in the
                                                          story must be<br>
                                                          recognized:
                                                          this is a tale
                                                          of a bodily
                                                          resurrection,
                                                          not a
                                                          “spiritual”
                                                          one. The<br>
                                                          risen one
                                                          takes pains to
                                                          force people
                                                          to touch his
                                                          wounds and so
                                                          dispel the<br>
                                                          notion of an
                                                          ectoplasmic
                                                          appearance.
                                                          Whatever the
                                                          implications,
                                                          they are<br>
                                                          physical, this
                                                          worldly. The
                                                          second factor
                                                          is that
                                                          stories of
                                                          dying and
                                                          rising<br>
                                                          gods (or
                                                          superheroes)
                                                          were
                                                          widespread
                                                          throughout the
                                                          Ancient Near
                                                          East and<br>
                                                          ancient
                                                          Greece.<span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">So
                                                          what unique
                                                          implications
                                                          can<br>
                                                          we draw from
                                                          the story that
                                                          are important
                                                          today? Another
                                                          way to ask it
                                                          is<br>
                                                          “Where today
                                                          do we
                                                          experience
                                                          death and
                                                          resurrection?”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">Both
                                                          occur at the
                                                          individual,
                                                          natural,<br>
                                                          and corporate
                                                          levels. A word
                                                          about each:
                                                          Lately I have
                                                          “died” when
                                                          the classes<br>
                                                          I have taught
                                                          for 15 years
                                                          were
                                                          cancelled; I
                                                          was “raised”
                                                          when the
                                                          University<br>
                                                          called on me
                                                          for 3 new
                                                          classes. The
                                                          slow and
                                                          painful death
                                                          of a dear aunt
                                                          was<br>
                                                          followed by a
                                                          celebration
                                                          honoring her
                                                          life that
                                                          brought back
                                                          the wonder of
                                                          her<br>
                                                          artistry and
                                                          love. These
                                                          may seem
                                                          trivial
                                                          examples but
                                                          dramatize the
                                                          dynamics<br>
                                                          in the story:
Death/Resurrection happens to us all.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">In
                                                          nature,
                                                          “Resurrection”
                                                          has<br>
                                                          long been a
                                                          metaphor for
                                                          the return of
                                                          plant life in
                                                          the Spring, at
                                                          least in<br>
                                                          the Northern
                                                          hemisphere.
                                                          And certainly,
                                                          the emergence
                                                          of leaves on
                                                          barren<br>
                                                          trees, of
                                                          green in brown
                                                          fields, and
                                                          flowers from
                                                          “dead” plants
                                                          seem quite<br>
                                                          miraculous.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">At
                                                          the corporate
                                                          level, the
                                                          death<br>
                                                          and dying
                                                          dynamic seems
                                                          much more
                                                          obvious that
                                                          does
                                                          resurrection.
                                                          Many of our<br>
                                                          hopes and
                                                          dreams died
                                                          with the
                                                          November
                                                          election. The
                                                          horrors and
                                                          complexity of<br>
                                                          the Middle
                                                          East conflicts
                                                          and the
                                                          appearance of
                                                          global warming
                                                          both represent
                                                          a<br>
                                                          death to life
                                                          as we have
                                                          known it. What
                                                          resurrection
                                                          will look like
                                                          remains to<br>
                                                          be seen.<span class="m-1371382113531302430m3969685334754093060apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">Numerous
                                                          efforts taken
                                                          for<br>
                                                          environmental
                                                          protection
                                                          certainly mark
                                                          an awakening
                                                          to the need
                                                          for change,<br>
                                                          but are faint
                                                          heralds of a
                                                          resurrected
                                                          life. Numerous
                                                          conferences
                                                          aimed at<br>
                                                          achieving some
                                                          sort of
                                                          resolution of
                                                          Middle East
                                                          conflicts so
                                                          far remain<br>
                                                          fruitless. As
                                                          the story
                                                          goes, it’s God
                                                          who does the
                                                          raising, not
                                                          us. And when<br>
                                                          it occurs,
                                                          it’s far
                                                          beyond our
                                                          expectations. 
                                                          As I have said
                                                          elsewhere,
                                                          “Humankind has
                                                          unimaginable<br>
                                                          capacities to
                                                          screw things
                                                          up; yet
                                                          Mystery
                                                          generates
                                                          unaccountable
                                                          wonders out<br>
                                                          of our
                                                          messes.” (</span><em><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">Theology
                                                          of Surprise</span></u></b></em><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std",sans-serif">,<br>
                                                          </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Hobo
Std",sans-serif">p. 39</span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hobo
Std",sans-serif">) Our current situation brings to<br>
                                                          mind a sermon
                                                          that we heard
                                                          in the
                                                          Philippines
                                                          during the
                                                          last days of
                                                          Marcos.<br>
                                                          It was
                                                          entitled “It
                                                          feels like
                                                          Friday, but
                                                          Sunday is
                                                          A-Coming!”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          we’re enmeshed
                                                          in the<br>
                                                          death or the
                                                          resurrection
                                                          part of the
                                                          dynamic, both
                                                          are operative.
                                                          That’s what<br>
                                                          Easter
                                                          celebrates.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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