<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I find myself considering the Question of God lecture structure and the question of identity: who am I? Or, in these times, Who are we? As United States-ers, not easy to figure out how to answer . . . And remembering our fledgling attempts to create a global or planetary "we" back decades ago, . . .<br><br><div>Jim Wiegel</div><div><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="address" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353</a></div><div><font color="#000000">Tel.</font><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-936-8671" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-936-8671</a><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">or</span><span style="font-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><a href="tel:011-623-363-3277" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2/0" style="font-size: 13pt;">011-623-363-3277</a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</font></a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">www.partnersinparticipation.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div>"<span style="font-size: 13pt;">We are no longer living in an era of change. We are living in a change of era." Francis</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Upcoming public course opportunities click here</span></div><div><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10">http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=10</a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 13pt;">For online registration go to </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.top-training.net/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 13pt;">http://www.top-training.net</a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st <a href="x-apple-data-detectors://8" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="calendar-event" x-apple-data-detectors-result="8">Friday, 1-4 pm</a>, starting again <a href="x-apple-data-detectors://9" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="calendar-event" x-apple-data-detectors-result="9">on Sept 5th</a> at ACYR, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x872b123a5312512d:0x93c9f71171108956?hl=">648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003</a></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses</span></div></div><div><br>On Jan 29, 2017, at 08:24, Rod Rippel <<a href="mailto:rodrippel@cox.net">rodrippel@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Thanks Jim, Very powerful poems. On the mark for today’s
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<div>Rod Rippel</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">James Wiegel via OE</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:05 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="dialogue@wedgeblade.net">Colleague Dialogue</a> ; <a title="oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Oe List ...] Some poems</div></div></div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">"TWO POEMS FROM THIS MORNING</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">A Ritual to Read to Each Other" </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">by William Stafford</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">If you don't know the kind of person I am </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and I don't know the kind of person you are </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">a pattern that others made may prevail in the</div>
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world </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and following the wrong god home we may miss</div>
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our star.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">For there is many a small betrayal in the mind,
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">sending with shouts the horrible errors of</div>
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childhood </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">storming out to play through the broken dike.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">And as elephants parade holding each</div>
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elephant's tail, </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">but if one wanders the circus won't find the</div>
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park, </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">to know what occurs but not recognize the fact.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">And so I appeal to a voice, to something</div>
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shadowy, </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">a remote important region in all who talk: </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">though we could fool each other, we should</div>
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consider—</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in
the</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">dark.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">For it is important that awake people be awake,</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">or a breaking line may discourage them back to</div>
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sleep; </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">the signals we give — yes or no, or maybe —</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">should be clear: the darkness around us is
deep.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Deeply grateful to Helen Gerhardt for this:
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I know, I know</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">If you could go back you</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">would walk with Jesus</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">You would march with King</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Maybe assassinate Hitler</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">At least hide Jews in your basement</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">It would all be clear to you</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">But people then, just like you</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">were baffled, had bills</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">to pay and children they didn’t</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">understand and they too</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">were so desperate for normalcy</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">they made anything normal</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Even turning everything inside out</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Even killing, and killing, and it’s easy</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">for turning the other cheek</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">to be looking the other way, for walking</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">to be talking, and they hid</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">in their houses</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and watched it on television, when they had
television,</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and wrung their hands</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">or didn’t, and your hands</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">are just like theirs. Lined, permeable,</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">small, and you</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">would follow Caesar, and quote McCarthy, and Hoover,
and you would want</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">to make Germany great again</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Because you are afraid, and your</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">parents are sick, and your</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">job pays s@$t and where’s your</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">dignity? Just a little dignity and those kids sitting
down in the highway,</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and chaining themselves to</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">buildings, what’s their f@*#king</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">problem? And that kid</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">That’s King. And this is Selma. And Berlin. And
Jerusalem. And now</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">is when they need you to be brave.</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Now</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">is when we need you to go back</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and forget everything you know</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and give up the things you’re chained to</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">and make it look so easy in your</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">grandkids’ history books (they should still have
them, kinehora)</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Now</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">is when it will all be clear to them.</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">~Danny Bryck</div>
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<div>Jim Wiegel</div>
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