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of the US and how its citizens related to it. In all those years, beginning
with Nixon all the way up to Obama, I’ve seen it invade and destroy nations
around the world, releasing waves of refugees and other miseries. But
within the US, people lived in a cocoon that
helped them avert their eyes. I remember the Vietnam war protesters and the many
young people who fled the US in order not to be driven to kill “gooks”
overseas. I noticed that at best, we were silent on this and at worst,
disapproving. When I look back, I see that the protesters were the “sensitive
and responsive” part that Niebuhr wrote about. I also noticed the hunger among
us to cite links to famous figures while pointing out that to live in the “no
longer and the not-yet” was to be “nobodies”.
Perhaps this was the effect of consuming the stories meant for our
framing and fund-raising strategies.</div><div id="yiv7320072636yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478044925007_35734"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7320072636yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478044925007_35698">
</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7320072636yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478044925007_35736">I see that same hunger now reflected in recalling some
distant crossing of trails with Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by
the political elite to adopt positions around two equally ugly candidates put
before them for the exercise of their “democratic rights”. For all the emotions
the Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our emails, election after election, that
rivalry is a sham. This is a nation ruled by a “single party with two factions”.
Whichever you praise or denigrate, the real owners of the land always win. And
for the rest of us around the world, we can only wait for the light from this “beacon
on the hill” to eventually fade. Then, perhaps, the US will take its place as an ordinary member in the
community of nations.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7320072636yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478044925007_35736"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7320072636yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478044925007_35736">Dharma</div> <div class="yiv7320072636qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7320072636yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7320072636yqt9215998749" id="yiv7320072636yqtfd28717"><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 7:33, Len Hockley via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7320072636y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7320072636"><div>
<div class="yiv7320072636moz-cite-prefix">Dido Jon, <b>The Naked Now</b> by
Richard Rohr is required reading!<br clear="none">
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Len Hockley<br clear="none">
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On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Love
this, Jon. Thanks.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Jann<br clear="none">
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From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7320072636moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:jonzondo@juno.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jonzondo@juno.com">jonzondo@juno.com</a> via OE <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7320072636moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br clear="none">
To: isobeljimbish <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7320072636moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au"><isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au></a>; oe
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Cc: oe <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7320072636moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br clear="none">
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm<br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to
E.I. - Dear Susan<br clear="none">
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<div>Dear Group.<br clear="none">
Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery.<br clear="none">
Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.<br clear="none">
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This conversation is very important, especially with all
the perspectives.<br clear="none">
I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.<br clear="none">
The change needed in the system is huge. Our current
system is incredible broken in so many ways. We are a
first world country "purposefully" going backwards by not
investing in our infrastructure nor in our people. </div>
<div>In my observation and opinion, much of the national
frustration shows itself in the desire to elect Trump, or
Bernie, or any alternative. The "Cry" for change is
massive, and will not let up. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>One of the traps is either/or thinking.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One of the traps is "personal attacks".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What I know in my bones is that we are all connected.
That mysterious truth, combined with my passion &
respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Walk in Beauty,</div>
<div>Jon</div>
<div> </div>
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From: Isobel Bishop via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none">
To: Wilson Priscilla H <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com">pris@teamtechpress.com</a>>,
Order Ecumenical Community <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship
to E.I. - Dear Susan<br clear="none">
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100<br clear="none">
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<div>Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I
appreciate the </div>
<div>Honesty, pain and fear expressed in</div>
<div>depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.<br clear="none">
Thankyou all.</div>
<div>In peace and love,</div>
<div>Isobel <br clear="none">
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE
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<div>No one has said that better, Randy. You should put
that on Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
<div>Priscilla Wilson</div>
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<div>On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via
OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Well said, Randy!!</div>
<div class="yiv7320072636aolmail_gmail_extra"><br clear="none">
<div class="yiv7320072636aolmail_gmail_quote">On Nov 1,
2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
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<div>I keep asking, but still have not
seen, one shred of verifiable
evidence to substantiate the charge
that Hillary has committed a
criminal act of any sort. She's made
serious mistakes like with the
private server, she has not been as
transparent as she could and perhaps
should have been, she got paid a lot
of money for some speeches (but less
than some men), she's flip-flopped
on some positions she's taken like
on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego
(an asset for a man but a huge
liability for a woman in our
culture), she didn't play nice when
she was First Lady trying to get
health care passed, as Secretary of
State she traveled the world and
spoke truth to power like the
Premier of China, and after much
gut-wrenching deliberation and
prayer she chose to stay true to her
vow to her husband of "for better or
worse" through "worse." And to add
insult to injury, she decided to run
to be the first woman in the Office
of President of the United States.
How dare she. Despise her for all
those things and hate all her
positions on the issues, but don't
accuse her of being a criminal
unless you have some rock solid
proof that hours and years and
millions of dollars worth of
hearings, investigations and witch
hunts by scores of government
agencies, news media and nondescript
malcontents have been unable to
produce. I've heard the rumors,
innuendos, exaggerations,
conjecture, gross distortions and
outright lies, everything but
verifiable truth. Got any? Then
let's have it. But double check your
sources before you put it out there
because there really are some
malingering, deplorable liars afoot
in the land and a lot of fools are
believing them and then repeating
what they heard them say and calling
it truth, and it just isn't. </div>
<div id="yiv7320072636aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804AppleMailSignature">Randy<br clear="none">
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On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan
Fertig via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>Trump was never my choice,
and Hillary is a criminal--her
vision for the country is my
first nightmare. And Trump is
just as flawed. Both of them
scare me to death. But neither
if the other candidates is
really an option either. I
fear we're about to see this
great American experiment in
democracy become something no
less evil than the many
kleptocracies around the
world.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Susan</div>
<div> </div>
<div><span style="color:#333333;"><em>Sent from my
Verizon 4G LTE Droid</em></span></div>
</div>
<div class="yiv7320072636aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804elided-text">On
Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com">sophiacircle@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Well, what you
wrote is what Frumper
repeats over and over.
Mist who parrot him do
support him. <br clear="none">
I Personally prefer to
read responses to a
candidates vision for this
nation. <br clear="none">
Also I stand firm in ny
admiration which never
ceases, of this woman who
has continued in spite of
the unbelievable
accusations which are so
blown up out of the real
world of truth and honesty
that it is cause for
seriously asking "Why?". <br clear="none">
Why the hell bent mission
to destroy a solid vision
for this nation and this
planet? There is no other
candidate who shines so
brightly and qualified to
be an example for our
children and grandchildren
at this time. Rightly so.</div>
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<div class="yiv7320072636aolmail_m_-2242911035825110804elided-text">On
Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM,
"Susan Fertig via OE"
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>
<div>
<div>How in the
world did you
infer that I
must be a Trump
supporter from
my message?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Susan</div>
<div> </div>
<div><span style="color:#333333;"><em>Sent
from my
Verizon 4G LTE
Droid</em></span></div>
</div>
<div>On Nov 1, 2016
7:56 AM, Ken
Fisher <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div> </div>
<div>Dear
Susan,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Writing
to you as a
Canadian
Christian and
16-year Order
member, I am
awed by your
commitment to
American
Republicanism
and
conservative
Christianity.
How in the
world did you
spend so much
time with the
EI/OE/ICA
community and
have your
world view
remain
unaffected?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>From the
perspective of
Canada, we are
87% supporters
of HRC and the
image of
America she
represents.
Probably
Russia is 87%
in favour of
Donald.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Each and
every ‘crime’
that I have
read about
that is
attributed to
Hillary has
been most
grandly
committed by
Republicans in
previous Bush
administrations.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Surely
you would
agree that
Donald Trump
is an out and
out racist,
sexist,
homophobe,
parochial
narcissist and
most of all a
climate change
denier? HRC is
none of the
above.
Thankfully,
she is
responsive to
both Bernie
and to
Elizabeth. We
may get out of
this mess
yet. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Your
phrase: "only
values I see
are abject
greed, a
pathological
allegiance to
lies, and
arrogant
flaunting of
her ability to
circumvent the
law. She has
done
absolutely
nothing to
improve the
lives of the
poor and
disadvantaged
yet claims she
has in the
face of all
evidence to
the contrary.”
is really the
truth that the
world sees
about Trump.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I would
invite you to
see all that
as a
projection.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Should
Trump take
ownership of
any of the
above, that
would be a
fine moment of
grace. Would
you not agree?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Margaret
Atwood, (a <span style="background-color:#ffffff;">Canadian poet, novelist, literary
critic,
essayist, and
environmental
activist)
describes
America in the
midst of a
Salem type </span>witch
hunt. I agree.
It is, at the
bottom a war
against women.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>While
there are
indeed my
contradictions
in American
society that
both the
Republican and
Democratic
administrations
must answer
for, the
attached
article came
closest - for
me - in
describing how
the Republican
voice has
committed
itself to an
‘end game’ and
it would seem
that indeed,
the GOP will
‘end’.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Love and
best wishes to
you, Susan and
to all Trump
supporters who
have been left
without any
vision other
than rebellion
or
depression. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>We are
all
responsible.
Everyone.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ken in
Canada.</div>
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<div>On Nov 1,
2016, at 12:03
AM, Susan
Fertig via OE
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<div>Values???
The only
values I see
are abject
greed, a
pathological
allegiance to
lies, and
arrogant
flaunting of
her ability to
circumvent the
law. She has
done
absolutely
nothing to
improve the
lives of the
poor and
disadvantaged
yet claims she
has in the
face of all
evidence to
the contrary.
I've heard for
years about
this possible
connection to
EI/ICA, and I
truly hope
it's not true.
It would be a
horrible
embarrassment
to the
movement.</div>
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<div>On Oct
31, 2016 11:22
PM, William
Salmon via OE
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;">Colleagues--</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;"> So
many raise the
question
concerning
Hillary
Clinton's
relationship
to E.I. I
decided to
cast this
bread upon the
waters. The
first sign is
that while I
addressed it
to Hillary
Clinton, an
alternate
address popped
up.
Consequently,
it may really
get to her
attention, to
that of some
aid. May it be
a Kool-Aid. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;">
Inner Peace, </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;">
Bill </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;">Mrs.
Hillary
Clinton:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;"> It
is my prayer
that this
reaches you
concerning
your
experience in
5th City,
Chicago, or it
could have
been in
Evanston. Your
Youth
Director, Don
Jones, must
have been at a
training event
to become
known as RS-I.
About the same
time, a large
number of us
dedicated
ourselves to
this renewal
movement that
grew from our
experience in
Chicago Ghetto
to literally
embrace the
world. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;"> It
makes me
wonder if your
experience
under his
leadership
influenced the
values you
hold dear, and
now wish to
step onto the
platform of
the Presidency
to do for our
United States
and for the
world what was
embraced by
the courageous
citizens in
5th City. </span></div>
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You carry my
prayers during
this last
turbulent
week. You have
my vote. </span></div>
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Grace and
Peace, </span></div>
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Pastor William
E. Salmon</span></div>
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