<div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">We can't celebrate Hillary's victory until she actually wins. The poll reports are concerning.</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I loved watching the Cubs' marvelous series. I don't watch baseball all summer, but love that I've been to Wrigley Field and lived in such a great city for awhile. </div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Must admit I'm very happy to live now in a small town with less congestion.</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Prayers for Hillary and for the Native American Water Protectors at Cannonball.</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Blessings,</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Jann McGuire</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>To: Adam Thomson <adam.thomson007@btinternet.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 7:26 am<br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan<br><br></div>
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<div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Colleages,</div><div>History is once again being created by the very first women president in the USA. The world has been wiating for this moment and she is the Best and the most caring human being in spite of her mistakes. Linda and I have moved to the city of contribution (DC). We are all ready begun with theChicago cubs winning the world series and Hillary soon wining the, Ceelebrattion time come on Lets celebrate and have the best time. . </div><div>A.M. Noel </div><div>206-321-6274 </div></div><div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="aolmail_gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">A.M. Noel</div></div></div>
<br><div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Adam Thomson via OE <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">From Adam Thomson, Dover in the UK,<br><br>
As one who originally consciously and physically joined the Spirit
Movement in 1972, I have been stimulated by the responses in this stream
- especially from Jaime, Dharma and Randy.<br><br>
I was also negatively stimulated by Susan Fertig's comments concerning
HRC, and applauded Randy's posting on that. <br><br>
I had been struck by Susan's comments that revealingly included,
"I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and
I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the
movement."<br><br>
I have to say that Sue Fertig - even after many years - still has not
grasped what the "movement" is about, at least in part: as the
Spirit Movement - as the forgiven ones - we are not
"embarrassed" by the actions or otherwise of anyone allegedly
or otherwise connected with it.<br><br>
As it happens, I am still smarting from Susan's outrageous comments,
including alleging that HRC was a criminal. <br><br>
And then, last night (Wednesday) in the UK, I happened to see Michael
Moore's most recent short film, "Michael Moore in Trumpland",
which cheered me up no end.<br><br>
I STRONGLY recommend people see this. Michael Moore was filmed doing a
one-hour stand-up routine in Wilmington OH before an audience of
committed HRC-haters, and the result was fascinating. Michael certainly
put HRC's alleged past into a perspective that was helpful to
me.<br><br>
By the way - our daughter Mary (born July 4 1978 at Weiss Memorial
Hospital in Chicago) has taken great pains to exert her right to a VOTE
as a US citizen (for the first time!), and she posted off her absentee
ballot yesterday. I'm not telling anybody how she voted...<br><br>
Do try and see "Michael Moore in Trumpland", ASAP. It's a
tremendous documentary.<br><br>
Love to all, Adam Thomson<br><br>
END OF MESSAGE<br><br>
"At 12:31 PM 03-11-16, via OE wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="aolmail_m_5897658776769679035cite">Thanks for this very helpful
insight, Dharma. As we are consumed with the rancor between left
and right in this country, the broader view calls us to consider what
issues deserve our attention when it comes to being compassionate and
responsible world citizens.<br>
<br>
Catherine Welch, Denver<br>
<br>
<b>From:</b> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dharmalingam
Vinasithamby via OE</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:LCHockley@gmail.com">Len Hockley</a> ;
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:laurelcg@aol.com">laurelcg@aol.com</a> ;
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</a> ;
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</a>
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I.
-Dear Susan<br>
<br>
As an outsider, being in the Order/ICA gave me a close-up view of the US
and how its citizens related to it. In all those years, beginning with
Nixon all the way up to Obama, I’ve seen it invade and destroy nations
around the world, releasing waves of refugees and other miseries. But
within the US, people lived in a cocoon that helped them avert
their eyes. I remember the Vietnam war protesters and the many young
people who fled the US in order not to be driven to kill “gooksâ€
overseas. I noticed that at best, we were silent on this and at worst,
disapproving. When I look back, I see that the protesters were the
“sensitive and responsive†part that Niebuhr wrote about. I also
noticed the hunger among us to cite links to famous figures while
pointing out that to live in the “no longer and the not-yet†was to
be “nobodies†. Perhaps this was the effect of consuming the
stories meant for our framing and fund-raising strategies.<br>
<br>
I see that same hunger now reflected in recalling some distant crossing
of trails with Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by the
political elite to adopt positions around two equally ugly candidates put
before them for the exercise of their “democratic rights†. For all
the emotions the Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our emails,
election after election, that rivalry is a sham. This is a nation ruled
by a “single party with two factions†. Whichever you praise or
denigrate, the real owners of the land always win. And for the rest of us
around the world, we can only wait for the light from this “beacon on
the hill†to eventually fade. Then, perhaps, the US will take its
place as an ordinary member in the community of nations.<br>
<br>
Dharma<br><br>
<br>
</blockquote></span><span face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica; font-size: small;" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica; font-size: small;">On Wednesday, 2 November
2016, 7:33, Len Hockley via OE <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</span><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;"><br><br>
Dido Jon, <b>The Naked Now</b> by Richard Rohr is required
reading!<br><br>
Len Hockley<br><br>
On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="aolmail_m_5897658776769679035cite">Love this, Jon. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Jann<br><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:jonzondo@juno.com">jonzondo@juno.com</a> via OE
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">
mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>
To: isobeljimbish
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mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.<wbr>com.au</a>; oe
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mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear
Susan<br><br>
Dear Group.<br>
Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery.<br>
Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.<br><br>
This conversation is very important, especially with all the
perspectives.<br>
I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.<br>
The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is
incredible broken in so many ways. We are a first world country
"purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our
infrastructure nor in our people. <br>
In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows
itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative.
The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up.
<br>
<br>
One of the traps is either/or thinking.<br>
<br>
one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.<br>
<br>
One of the traps is "personal attacks".<br>
<br>
one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".<br>
<br>
What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That
mysterious truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to
intentionally moving forward.<br>
<br>
Walk in Beauty,<br>
Jon<br>
<br><br>
<br>
---------- Original Message ----------<br>
From: Isobel Bishop via OE
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><br>
To: Wilson Priscilla H
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:pris@teamtechpress.com">pris@teamtechpress.com</a>
>, Order Ecumenical Community
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear
Susan<br>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100<br><br>
Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the <br>
Honesty, pain and fear expressed in<br>
depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.<br>
Thankyou all.<br>
In peace and love,<br>
Isobel <br>
Sent from my iPhone<br><br>
On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on
Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
</dd><dd>Priscilla Wilson
</dd><dd>
<dl>
<dd>On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:
</dd><dd>Well said, Randy!!
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE"
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of verifiable
evidence to substantiate the charge that Hillary has committed a criminal
act of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like with the private
server, she has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps should
have been, she got paid a lot of money for some speeches (but less than
some men), she's flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like on TPP,
she has a super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability for
a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she was First Lady
trying to get health care passed, as Secretary of State she traveled the
world and spoke truth to power like the Premier of China, and after much
gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay true to her vow
to her husband of "for better or worse" through
"worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided to run to be
the first woman in the Office of President of the United States. How dare
she. Despise her for all those things and hate all her positions on the
issues, but don't accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some
rock solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars worth of
hearings, investigations and witch hunts by scores of government
agencies, news media and nondescript malcontents have been unable to
produce. I've heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture,
gross distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable truth. Got
any? Then let's have it. But double check your sources before you put it
out there because there really are some malingering, deplorable liars
afoot in the land and a lot of fools are believing them and then
repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just
isn't.
</dd><dd>Randy
</dd><dd>Sent from my iPad
</dd><dd>On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for
the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of
them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an
option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment
in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies
around the world.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Susan
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
</dd><dd>On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:sophiacircle@gmail.com">sophiacircle@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over.
Mist who parrot him do support him.
</dd><dd>I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this
nation.
</dd><dd>Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this
woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which
are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is
cause for seriously asking "Why?".
</dd><dd>Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation
and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and
qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this
time. Rightly so.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE"
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from
my message?
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Susan
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
</dd><dd>On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Dear Susan,
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am
awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative
Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the
EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected?
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the
image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour
of Donald.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed
to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous
Bush administrations.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist,
sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change
denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both
Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a
pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to
circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives
of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all
evidence to the contrary.†is really the truth that the world sees
about Trump.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>I would invite you to see all that as a projection.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine
moment of grace. Would you not agree?
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic,
essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a
Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that
both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the
attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican
voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that
indeed, the GOP will ‘end’.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who
have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>We are all responsible. Everyone.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Ken in Canada.
</dd><dd> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br>
</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></blockquote></span>
<dd><h1><b>A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is
going to die</b></h1><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;"><br>
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<a target="_blank" href="http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy">
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/1 2256510/republican-party-trump
-avik-roy</a>
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</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a
pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to
circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives
of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all
evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible
connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a
horrible embarrassment to the movement.
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Susan
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
</span></dd><dd><span size="3" data-mce-style="font-size: medium;" style="font-size: medium;">On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE
<<a target="_blank" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Colleagues--
</dd><dd> So many raise the question concerning Hillary
Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the
waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton,
an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her
attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid.
</dd><dd> Inner Peace,
</dd><dd> Bill
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Mrs. Hillary Clinton:
</dd><dd> It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning
your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston.
Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to
become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated
ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in
Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world.
</dd><dd> It makes me wonder if your experience under his
leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto
the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the
world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City.
</dd><dd> You carry my prayers during this last turbulent
week. You have my vote.
</dd><dd> Grace and Peace,
</dd><dd> Pastor William E. Salmon
</dd><dd> 744 So. 10th
</dd><dd> Salina, KS 67401
</dd><dd>
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:wsalmon@cox.net">wsalmon@cox.net</a>
</dd><dd>
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