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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The idea was to ‘run around’ the historical church into the ‘parish,’ show what could be done, and beckon folk in with ‘Come on in – the water’s fine!’ And sometimes that has worked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill Schlesinger<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Project Vida<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3607 Rivera Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>El Paso, TX 79905<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(915) 533-7057 ext. 207<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.pvida.net<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karenbueno via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2016 4:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au; jfwiegel@yahoo.com; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Actually, an "end run" is a football term, used idiomatically to say we just avoid the impediments!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Karen Bueno<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Isobel and Jim Bishop <isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au><br>To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>Cc: Karenbueno <karenbueno@aol.com>; kenfisher1942 <kenfisher1942@gmail.com><br>Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2016 4:32 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_b0987a36-139d-48d8-aa51-3ebe06fad8b6"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Isobel and Jim Bishop<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" target="_blank">isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hello folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thankyou so much for these recent discussions. Ken, Karen and Jim, Jack and all. .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim Bishop and I had a chat, and we agreed with all that has been offered ( for our two cents worth,) by way of reflective comments, at this distance. I well remember ' the end run on the Church' Karen- and as it is a baseball term I guess, I had no idea what it <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>meant, yet it still made sense to me.! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I reckon that most of what happens in the Jesus Seminar- Westar Institute, and with the late Marcus Borg and many other deep thinkers, has evolved in its own way from our labours for the Church in the 50's and 60's and even 70's. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you to you all for your grace and care - yes indeed, we are all part of the Crimson Line, and we do miss Frank Bremner- his contributions to both the Ecumenical Institute and the ICA were invaluable. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>In peace and love,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Isobel. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On 04/10/2016, at 2:28 AM, James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_32390"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>When I came to intern in the autumn of 1967, The Institute of Cultural Affairs was already a division of The Ecumenical Institute. The Fifth City project came under that heading.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_32392"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Karen, you raise, though, an interesting point. We studied a book back in the day called Invisible Religion, by Thomas Luckmann. He went to great lengths to describe how the phenomenon of "religion" was a part of every society, a sociological reality. We encapsulated this strain of thinking later in the social process triangles where the process of "Common Symbols" (top pole of the Cultural Commonality triangle) was delineated as "Corporate Language", "Social Art" and "Common Religion" (which included the processes of "Unifying Icons", "Common Rites", and "Inclusive Myths". The insight here is that one of the realities that comes into play when we humans get together is we start creating "religion"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>ON THE OTHER HAND, IN OUR WORLD, we have a number of long-standing historical communities/movements also called "religions" -- Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>It seems hard, even today, to know clearly which reality is being pointed to with the term.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_30413"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_32397"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_31144"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123" target="_blank">Jim Wiegel</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475506541630_31143"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>“If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. 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</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Karenbueno <<a href="mailto:karenbueno@aol.com" target="_blank">karenbueno@aol.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>; <a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 3, 2016 7:25 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>My memory holds that when we decided to work in India, and India did not want any more "Christian missionaries", the call to have a secular name and a secular task was too loud not to answer. I remember Joe Mathews talking about an "end run around the church".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Karen Bueno<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ken Fisher via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>To: Jim & Judy Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>>; Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2016 7:30 am<br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705yqt00137><div id="yiv1823637705AOLMsgPart_1.2_1712098f-333a-4472-a1e3-571915fb965b"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Very good answer. I recall the extraordinary excitement of seeing Town Meetings and Community Forums be transformational.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:40 PM, James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14677"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Well, that is a good and interesting question, Zoe. And probably many people might have answers . . <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14678"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Here are a couple possible ones that come to my mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The Fifth City Project and, later human development projects and town meetings had a lot more visceral excitement for us than the slow work of congregational renewal. This might have been more particularly true for us younger, non clergy folks who came right after you all . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The Local Church Experiment with Galaxies and all did not produce exciting enough results to be sustained, and we never got sufficiently strong and widespread support from the denominational heirarchies to keep it going. It may well also have been the case that the "risks" that the Galaxy leadership and clergy families in the order and movement sort of derailed their career prospects in Ecclesiastical circles.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>God chose fundamentalism and the charismatic approach over existential theology. I was struck, travelling cross country several years ago, on 2 lane highways, that it seems as though only the conservative churches have had heart and passion to root themselves in many local places. Music and broadcast christianity as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>With our focus on "globality", staying within the framework of Historical Christianity became increasingly relative as we engaged in countries not dominantly Christian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14680"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>In looking at old documents, like the Declaration of the Spirit Movement, I can see one could say that the primary concern was to address the "cultural revolution of the 20th century", ("renewal of the church FOR THE SAKE OF THE WORLD")<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Even the contextual documents on the local church describe it as an anthropological phenomenon and not a Christian reality <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From a practical (and economic) perspective, at some point, participation in RS-1 peaked and we needed something else to keep the "movement" moving. While we talked of ourselves as an "Order" -- Religious Order, Historical Order, Global Order, seems we depended a lot on keeping momentum going. Sustainability and slowness were less important than Expenditure and transformation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14681"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>What is your take on it?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14682"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123" target="_blank">Jim Wiegel</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yiv1823637705yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475463055194_14683"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>“If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. 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</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203" target="_blank">The AZ ToP® Community of Practice</a> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x872b123a5312512d:0x93c9f71171108956?hl=" target="_blank">648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> zbarley <<a href="mailto:zbarley@earthlink.net" target="_blank">zbarley@earthlink.net</a>><br><b>To:</b> James Wiegel <<a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>>; Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 2, 2016 4:35 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Why did the Order abandon the church?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Spong's latest sure calls for what began lo these many years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Zoe <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1823637705composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#575757'>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br>Date: 2016/10/02 5:14 PM (GMT-07:00) <br>To: Frank Knutson <<a href="mailto:f.knutson@earthlink.net" target="_blank">f.knutson@earthlink.net</a>>, Order Ecumenical ICA-USA <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>>, Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705yqt58354><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>like what is an example, Frank?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123" target="_blank">Jim Wiegel</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>“If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. Joanna Macy</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>623-363-3277</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal 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style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=203" target="_blank">The AZ ToP® Community of Practice</a> meets the 1st Friday, of every month, 1-4 pm, at ACYR, <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/648+N+5th+Ave/@33.456329,-112.080545,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x872b123a5312512d:0x93c9f71171108956?hl=" target="_blank">648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> Frank Knutson via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical ICA-USA <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:06 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Oe List ...] THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Searching through old documents I found THE DECLARATION OF THE SPIRIT MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD IN CENTURY TWENTY. I am amazed, at over 50 years ago, how on target it is today. It provides a lot for today’s discussions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'><br><span class=yiv1823637705>"We can't solve our problems with the same level of thinking (or consciousness) that created them."</span><span class=yiv1823637705apple-converted-space> </span><br></span></b><span class=yiv1823637705><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> ~Albert Einstein</span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1823637705><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1823637705><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:#FF2600'>❤</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std","serif";color:#FF2600'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std","serif";color:#0433FF'>Frank</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Hobo Std","serif";color:#0433FF'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>