<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;" class=""><font size="2" class="">Here are some additional comments on JWM’s doctoral dissertation:</font></span></div>
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<li style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: normal;" class=""></span><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">JWM was recruited to Perkins by Merrimon Cuninggim then Dean. He was also a military chaplain in WWII like Joe. Dean Cuninggim who had the confidence of the Perkins Family (wealthy Texas oil family), had taken them to Yale to get their commitment to build similar buildings at SMU. He succeeded. He also convinced them to help fund the hiring of top flight and promising theologians from across the U.S. with the idea of creating a Yale Theological school of the South. Albert Outler, Ph.D., the leading Wesley scholar at the time and several others were brought to Perkins along with Joe. Before then there was a joke that the theology school at SMU’s main purpose was to train pastors how to run the mimeograph. Cuninggim transformed the school into a highly respected one.</span></font></li>
<li style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: normal;" class=""></span><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">During Joe’s time at Perkins he teamed with Slicker, Wilfred Bailey, Ed Hobbs and others, held retreats and other sessions about life issues tied to their theological studies. They were concerned to go beyond the academics.</span></font></li>
<li style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: normal;" class=""></span><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">When I arrived at Perkins, JWM and Slicker had gone to Faith and Life the semester before, but the stories about Joe’s teaching and style were all about. Some of the professors were even accused of imitating his dramatic style of presentation.</span></font></li>
<li style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: normal;" class=""></span><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">In the 80’s when we returned to Dallas, I had several conversations with Dr. Outler, who was going into retirement. He had a number of stories about Joe, for whom he had great affection. One was the times he had encouraged Joe to finish his dissertation because he was convinced he would make a great professor, and how disappointed he was when Joe left. Outler liked to point out that theologians spent their time together sharpening their arguments (not his words), which didn’t appeal to everyone. He thought well of Joe’s dissertation.</span></font></li>
<li style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: normal;" class=""></span><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Later in the 80’s when we started work on the archives with Betty Pesek in the basement, we ran across a folder that contained the receipts of Joe and Lyn’s first refrigerator among other things. They seemed to have kept everything. In another box there were 2 stacks of papers neatly tied. The first was letters from soldiers to their parents or loved ones that were given to chaplains before going into battle in case they didn’t make it. Those obviously did. The second stack were letters from parents thanking Joe for having forwarded the last letter to them. They were not easy to read and to realize that chaplains during WWII were on the battlefield.</span></font></li>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 11, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Aren't these strings fun?!<div class="">As John Epps said several days, Joe did his Ph.D. work at Yale under H. R. Niebuhr. Then, he taught at Colgate for a fairly short time before going to Perkins. I believe Marge's story about Joe's thesis is correct. I also believe that he dropped the thesis, because he decided that academia was not the route for a religious revolution. The rest of the story we know (though we certainly might not agree on various pieces of it).</div><div class="">Doris Hahn</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:12 PM, W. J. via OE <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div class=""><span class="">Marge P. has the typescript of Joe's thesis (I've seen it).</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">More accurately, Joe did finish and submit it, but it was declined and returned for further revision, which Joe refused to do, according to Marge.</span></div><div class=""><span class="">Marshall</span></div><div class=""><div class="h5"> <div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div style="display:block" class=""> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:24px" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 12:19 PM, Beret Griffith <<a href="mailto:beretgriffith@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">beretgriffith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></font></div> <br class=""><br class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size:large" class="">From Jean Long - Brother Joe research...</div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="font-size:large" class="">On page 116 in Brother Joe, Jim Mathews writes, <i class="">"On October passed his qualifying exams and was accepted as a PH.D. candidate. ( at Colgate?). A bit later he qualified in French and German as well. He chose as as the topic for his dissertation 'a Study of Love and Faith in the Thought of John Wesley' ."</i></div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><i class="">"The fact is, Joe never completed this thesis. It became a major burden to him as he was caught up in the demands of academia at Colgate and Southern Methodist."</i></div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="font-size:large" class="">Hope this helps.</div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="font-size:large" class=""><div class="">On page 130 Jim says,<i class=""> "in 1960, Lincoln Memorial University awarded him an honorary Doctor of Divinity."</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br clear="none" class=""></i></div><div class="">Thank you Jean!</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Beret</div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="">On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:12 PM, W. J. <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:synergi@yahoo.com" target="_blank" class="">synergi@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div class=""><span class="">You could say it takes the whole Order (or all the Order's wisdom) to write the Order's history.</span></div><div class=""><span class="">Many thanks to all who contributed to Beret's amazing work!</span></div><div class=""><span class="">Let's 'finish our work' as an Order before it's too late for us.</span></div><div class=""><span class="">Marshall</span></div><div class=""><div class=""> <div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="display:block" class=""> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:24px" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:45 PM, Beret Griffith <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:beretgriffith@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">beretgriffith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></font></div> <br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">It is very good you are catching errors. I went back and checked original notes from Doris and her notes do NOT say Joe graduated from Perkins. I don't know how that sentence was added, yet I must have added it from some statement in notes that I cannot find. I also cannot find my copy of <i class="">Brother Joe</i>. Jean Long has a copy and will take a look and see how Joe's academic life is addressed in the book. <div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">It is easy to edit the Chronological History. David Dunn will put in the edits. P. 10 and p 19 statements re: Joe graduating from Perkins will be taken out. John and Marshall, if you feel the information you have is needed in the ChronHist, please write a sentence or two and indicate where it is to go in the text.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">And...anyone, as you read the Chronological History please send additions and corrections to me. I will gather information for the next edit. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Also, the Addendum is for adding information after 1988.</div><div class=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y0IgEUDJLGzZJp_DVoZ0ZwE4hiLfZ7inTTTmD9nLEdo/edit" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y0IgEUDJLGzZJp_DVoZ0ZwE4hiLfZ7inTTTmD9nLEdo/edit</a><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Another document (currently a holding document for data) <i class="">Summer Programs, Order Councils & Movement Gathering 1965-2016 </i>will benefit from additional input.</div><div class=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZxgEuNuZAg58rvdD9SdwnsjsJUFMpf1UaVlpHDCA6iU/edit" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZxgEuNuZAg58rvdD9SdwnsjsJUFMpf1UaVlpHDCA6iU/edit</a><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your attention to detail.</div><div class="">Beret</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="">On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:27 PM, W. J. via OE <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div class=""><span class=""></span></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div> <div style="display:block" class=""> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:24px" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:26 AM, W. J. <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:synergi@yahoo.com" target="_blank" class="">synergi@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></font></div> <br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 24px;" class=""><div class=""><span class="">I thought we all knew it was Biblical Seminary, later named New York Theological Seminary. Many years later its president was George W. (Bill) Webber, who taught me @ UTS.</span></div><div class=""><span class="">Marshall</span></div><div class=""><div class=""> <div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="display:block" class=""> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:24px" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> <div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:54 AM, James Wiegel via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></font></div> <br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">I am sorry . . . I cannot BELIEVE THIS . . . two of you and neither one has Brother Joe right out on their desk?</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><br clear="none" class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">Never happen if there was a kindle edition!</span></div><div class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123" target="_blank" class="">Jim Wiegel</a> <br clear="none" class=""><div style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt" class=""><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;line-height:18.3999996185303px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">“If you want an adventure . . . what a time to be alive!”. 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class="">From:</span></b> John Epps via OE <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To:</span></b> Herman Greene <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:hfgreenenc@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">hfgreenenc@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Cc:</span></b> OE Listserv <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 10, 2016 7:57 AM<br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] This is a message from Doris Hahn<br clear="none" class=""> </div> <div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">His graduate theology studies (after his war experience) were at Yale under H. Richard Niebuhr. Like Doris, my copy of Brother Joe is somewhere else, but I think it probably names the school in New York.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="">On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Herman Greene via OE <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Oh, dear! I can't imagine that I wrote that JWM graduated from Perkins School of Theology, but it shows up twice (pp. 10 and 19). I know that he and Bishop Jim attended some theological school in NYC for a time (he said that is where they learned to do "charting"). Certainly, he taught at Perkins for four years, but did not attend as a student. Maybe Bishop Jim mentioned the NY school in </span><u style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Brother</u><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""> </span><u style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Joe,</u><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""> but I can't find our copy at the moment. Anyone else know where he attended theological school?</span><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Doris Hahn</div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""></font></span><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>-- <br clear="none" class=""><div class="">__________________________________________________<div class="">Herman F. 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