<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Jack,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>It might be a valuable exercise if several of us, working at first independently, were to do a re-write of the amendment to put it into a C21 context. Trying to re-locate it in the SP might be a way to start. Then we could put all our individual efforts together and see what comes out of the mix.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Randy</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><i>"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." </i>Margaret Wheatley</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
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<div id="yiv122793239"><div><div>Randy,</div><div><br></div><div>Good thinking. The anniversary date is an incredible coincidence. If you would think of what might be a 21st Century story that would affirm that amendment might contain it might be a great symbolic way to start. Such a document could go virile if done well.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jack<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2012, at 3:59 PM, R Williams <<a href="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com">rcwmbw@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<div><span>Probably when the second amendment was passed on December 15, 1791, 221 years ago tomorrow, it would have been under domestic tranquility. That suggests to me that the story about guns and the role they play in terms of their ability to provide security and tranquility is really out of date. Maybe the place to start, as Jack suggested, is with a new story regarding the place of guns that starts with responsibility rather than rights.</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Randy</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><i>"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." </i>Margaret
Wheatley</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="yiv122793239hr">
</div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> William Salmon <<a href="mailto:wsalmon@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:wsalmon@cox.net">wsalmon@cox.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Oe List ...] Salmon: Start the conversation<br> </font> </div> <br>
JUST A PASSING THOUGHT:RE: Gun culture--<br> Where does it--or its antithesis--show up on the Social Process triangles?<br> Bill<br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Early" <<a href="mailto:lees.mail@comcast.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:lees.mail@comcast.net">lees.mail@comcast.net</a>><br>
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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:27 PM<br>Subject: [Oe List ...] Start the conversation<br><br><br>> It is brainstorm time. What can we do to change the "gun culture" of our nation?<br>> <br>> Nationally, state
wide, locally and personally.<br>> <br>> The social act of repentance might be a good place to start:<br>> <br>> 1. Become aware of injustice<br>> 2. Turn your back on it<br>> 3. Abolish within yourself<br>
> 4. Lead society<br>> <br>> BUT, this is a brainstorm. If the above is a helpful start, great. If not, feel free to come up with a different framework or, just share some ideas.<br>> <br>> The conversation needs to happen now.<br>
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