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From: J and J Barker <jkjmbarker@bigpond.com><br>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Dorothy Day and Joe Mathews on the Same Track<br>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">Actually I recall that JWM quoted Martin Luther who said it!</div>
<div style="font-size: 15px; ">Although others think it may have been St Augustine.</div>
<div style="font-size: 15px; ">My bet is that Dorothy Day did quote anyone - she just said it herself</div>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">Jonathan Barker</div>
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<div>On 29/11/2012, at 6:50 AM, Ken Fisher wrote:</div>
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<div>I have reported this before.</div>
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<div>Nearly 40 years ago, while assigned to the academy for a couple of quarters, I read some essays written by Martin Heidegger. One was 'on poetry'. He described poetic utterances as coming from a place "between the no-longer and the not-yet".</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span">To me, like Bob Dylan, whose words in one song</span>, can be a paraphrase of a 12th century French poet, charismatic geniuses can keep an unconscious file of timely metaphor ready to <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 16px; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">chairotically</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"> apply.</span></div>
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<div>On 2012-11-28, at 1:43 PM, R Williams wrote:</div>
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<div><span>One of Joe's quotes, I think from the RS-1 Church Lecture, which many of you may have used from time to time, as I have, to express your frustration with the church, was <strong>"The church is a whore but she's my mother."</strong></span></div>
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<div><span>Dorothy Day, cofounder of the Catholic Worker Movement, would have been 115 years old this month. The Catholic Church is currently in the process of canonizing her. Today I ran across an article which she wrote and published in The Catholic Worker in January of 1967 entitled "In Peace Is My Bitterness Most Bitter." In this article she is chastising some of those in the church who, among other things, had called for a "total"
U.S. victory in the Viet Nam War. In that article I discovered this quote from Dorothy Day. <strong>"As to the Church... Though she is a harlot at times, she is our Mother." </strong>(Joe may well have placed the comma after the word "harlot.")</span></div>
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<div><span>Having imagined all these years that this was one of the more brazen statements Joe Mathews ever uttered, I was amazed to run across the same statement, from about that same time, from a Catholic nun.</span></div>
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<div><span>I'm not sure why this struck me as such an interesting discovery. Perhaps it is that, as I continue in the midst of my life-long love/hate relationship with institutional Christianity, I found new justification that it is a struggle worth having. Whether Joe got the quote from Dorothy Day or vice versa, or whether it was a case of two
great minds using the same analogy, I thought it worth sharing with you.</span></div>
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