<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>"Like."</div><div><br></div><div>Ken</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 2012-09-18, at 4:15 PM, George Holcombe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm sorry that this conversation has fallen to such a level. The mention of Kool Aid, which references the killing of people in the Jones Town tragedy, is saddening to me. And the idea we came close to becoming a cult as well. We still are an expression of movemental force. Of course Lingo has said there are as many versions of the Order as there are participants; take that as you may.<div><br></div><div>My experience of this list serve is that of trans-establishment. It is not about a balance of political statements, establisment vs. dis-establishment views or prejudicial statements, but a wrestling with the future from our various perspectives. This is a very different type of discussion from the talking heads on U.S. media. It has grown out of our experience. We are all not the same, but we seek respectful dialogue and we work pretty hard to stick to the facts as best we can grasp them. Hopefully we can resume that level of discussion. As a participant in a number of list serves and a manager of one, I have found this one to be very good. Herman has brought us a lot of good material to struggle with and I look forward to that to continue. </div><div><br></div><div>Most of the time I have noticed that when someone disagrees with another, we state what we see to be the case rather than to attack the other. Our world is changing very rapidly, practicing respectful dialogue might be a good practice for the future.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">George Holcombe<br>14900 Yellowleaf Tr.<br>Austin, TX 78728<br>Mobile 512/252-2756<br><a href="mailto:geowanda@earthlink.net">geowanda@earthlink.net</a></div><div style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews<br><br></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:04 AM, HERMAN GREENE <<a href="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com">hfgreene@mindspring.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div><div>I just thought it was a good refection</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone</div></div> <br>Susan Fertig <<a href="mailto:susan@gmdtech.com">susan@gmdtech.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just for the record, not everyone on this listserv has drunk your KoolAid, and I’m offended by your language in the message below and the one that succeeds it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD">Susan<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> [mailto:oe-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Herman Greene<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><h2 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:#B60B03"><a href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/18/the_real_romney.html" title="The Real Romney"><span style="color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">The Real Romney</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></h2><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white">Jonathan Chait</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> says the </span></span><a href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.html"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white">hidden camera video</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> that went viral yesterday exposes Mitt Romney "as a far more sinister character than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully in thrall to a series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania that has seized his party. He believes that market incomes in the United States are a perfect reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged upbringing as the private-school educated son of an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious refutation of that belief, Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a confirmation of it..." </span></span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><br><br><span style="background:white">"The revelations in this video come to me as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would inflict upon the poor, sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to conclude that Romney's embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class."</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">_____________________________________________</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Herman Greene</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2516 Winningham Drive</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><ns0:place><ns0:city>Chapel Hill</ns0:city></ns0:place>, <ns0:state>NC</ns0:state> <ns0:postalcode>27516</ns0:postalcode></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">919-929-4116 (h)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">919-624-0579 (c)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">919-942-4358 (f)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Skype: hgreene-nc</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com">hfgreene@mindspring.com</a> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net<br></div><br></body></html>