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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Okay, Susan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What I am suggesting is that there is a
turning point happening away from the Reagan years and perhaps away from the
politics you favor. Just keep September 17 in mind and see if that is true. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There are values on both sides. Essentially
the messages of the two conventions were “we are all in this together”
and the other “be self-reliant and keep government small.” The
latter point is valid, but it hides the fact that neither side has done that,
entitlements grew enormously under Republican Presidents, more so under Bush
than Obama. Even when Obama proposes savings, which you would expect
Republicans to favor, they are distorted as destroying, in this example,
Medicare. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No, I don’t mean what you mean by
defining moment. I mean that what has come out on this video exposes a deep
problem and one that people will turn away from. “We’re all in
this together and be self-reliant and keep government small” are not
really oppositional. But keep government small has to be taken in a certain
way, because neither side is proposing a small government.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I guess what I am saying is that I think
that September 17 ended a certain period in American political history. Both
sides will have to adjust to it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Herman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Susan Fertig<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
5:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Oh, I heartily agree
that it is a turning point/defining moment, etc. Just that I think the
current President is destroying the country, so I’m coming from a
different perspective than yours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Herman Greene<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:33 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I didn’t assume that everyone on the
list was a Democrat. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There are those moments in history that
are defining moments. I could be wrong Susan, but I think this is one of them.
It is kind of the end of an era and so I sent the email as one
commenatator’s (not my) statement of what has become evident. Take it for
what it’s worth, but consider that this is a turning point in American
politics and that the debate (the one that will never end) will now be carried
out on a different basis.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I didn’t send the message as a
Democratic commentary, but as news.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Herman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net%5d">[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Susan Fertig<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:21 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>First, I find it
offensive that there is an assumption that everyone on the listserv is a
Democrat or espouses that party’s platform. Look up the definition
of “group think”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Second, I find it
offensive to perpetuate negatively distorted characterizations of one candidate
(and I’ve often found that this listserv also perpetuates
characterizations of others that are just as distorted through bias on
perceived positives). That’s the Kool-aid part.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>And yes, the
Kool-aid analogy could be attributed to all of us, myself included, who
participated fanatically in something called the Spirit Movement that came
pretty close to being a cult. You’re right. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:05 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Order Ecumenical Community<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Susan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You need to explain what our collegue Herman has said that
has offended you. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As one who is retired, pay no federal income tax, plus
in two months from today I will qualify for Medicare - I am proud to
say that I am part of the 47% that Romney spewed so much contempt for in the
video referenced in Herman's comment. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I didn't know that Herman was in the Kool-Aid business,
although if Joe M athews was with us and still teaching RS-1, he certainly
would be accused of such.<br>
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-David Walters<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Just for the record, not everyone on
this listserv has drunk your KoolAid, and I’m offended by your language
in the message below and the one that succeeds it.</span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size=4 color="#4f81bd" face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Papyrus;color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold'>Susan</span></font></b><font
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<h2 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><b><font size=4
color="#b60b03" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.5pt;
color:#B60B03'><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/18/the_real_romney.html"
title="The Real Romney"><font color="#b60b03"><span style='color:#B60B03;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>The Real Romney</span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></b></h2>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white'>Jonathan
Chait</span></font></a></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white'> says
the </span></font><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white'>hidden
camera video</span></font></a><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white'> that
went viral yesterday exposes Mitt Romney "as a far more sinister character
than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully in thrall to a
series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania that has seized
his party. He believes that market incomes in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> are a perfect
reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged upbringing as the
private-school educated son of an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious
refutation of that belief, Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a
confirmation of it..." </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
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<span style='background:white'>"The revelations in this video come to me
as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological
makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he
was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to
believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would
inflict upon the poor, sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to
conclude that Romney's embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for
the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class."</span></span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><u><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>_____________________________________________</span></font></u>
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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Herman Greene</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>2516 Winningham Drive</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Chapel Hill</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State w:st="on">NC</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">27516</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>919-929-4116 (h)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>919-624-0579 (c)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>919-942-4358 (f)</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Skype: hgreene-nc</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com">hfgreene@mindspring.com</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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