<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Meanwhile, back at the dialogue. The statement in the original quote from Herman, that Romney believes that market income is a reflection of merit begins to get at the real choices in the upcoming election. There are those who believe that one's lot in life is earned and deserved, whatever it may be, and those who believe that everyone's life, rich and poor, is determined to a significant degree by circumstances beyond their control, which need not make us victims or arrogant prigs. There are those who believe that it's a dog-eat-dog world and everyone is on their own, and those who believe that we're all in this together. There are those who believe it's every "man" for "himself" and the devil take the hind most, and those who believe that we are indeed our brothers' and
sisters' keepers. There are those who believe there are winners and losers, and those who believe that everyone can be a winner without anyone being diminished. There are those who believe that wealth trickles from the top down and those who believe that wealth is created from the bottom up, and in the end has less to do with material possessions than with quality of character and the richness of relationships. I could go on, but the point is, the choices have never been clearer. So everyone can pick their poison and get to the polls. The only "bad" guys will be those who can vote but don't. And whoever is elected, the resilience of the American spirit will somehow see us through. It always has.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18.67px; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;"><span>Randy</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."<br>-Martin Buber (adapted)<br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Herman Greene <hfgreene@mindspring.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:01 PM<br>
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remember correctly, some also involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">We should always show respect for one
another, but I wouldn’t suggest any “rule change” yet. From my standpoint, there’s
nothing wrong with lively exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">
oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>David M Dunn<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <<a href="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com">hfgreene@mindspring.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">I think I agree with others that this is
not the place to carry on a political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I
would be happy to hear Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.</span></font></div>
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reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the quality
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and
search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face
communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared
dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where we
can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding
contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream, but
not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv1576666203MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover
the images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different
perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.</span></font></div>
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