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you George!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George Holcombe<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Order Ecumenical Community<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm sorry that this conversation has fallen to such a level. The
mention of Kool Aid, which references the killing of people in the Jones Town
tragedy, is saddening to me. And the idea we came close to becoming a
cult as well. We still are an expression of movemental force. Of
course Lingo has said there are as many versions of the Order as there are
participants; take that as you may.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My experience of this list serve is that of trans-establishment.
It is not about a balance of political statements, establisment vs.
dis-establishment views or prejudicial statements, but a wrestling with the
future from our various perspectives. This is a very different type of
discussion from the talking heads on U.S. media. It has grown out of our
experience. We are all not the same, but we seek respectful dialogue and
we work pretty hard to stick to the facts as best we can grasp them.
Hopefully we can resume that level of discussion. As a participant
in a number of list serves and a manager of one, I have found this one to be
very good. Herman has brought us a lot of good material to struggle with and I
look forward to that to continue. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Most of the time I have noticed that when someone disagrees with
another, we state what we see to be the case rather than to attack the other.
Our world is changing very rapidly, practicing respectful dialogue might
be a good practice for the future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>George Holcombe<br>
14900 Yellowleaf Tr.<br>
Austin, TX 78728<br>
Mobile 512/252-2756<br>
<a href="mailto:geowanda@earthlink.net">geowanda@earthlink.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do
with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it
just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the
world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify
any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:04 AM, HERMAN GREENE <<a
href="mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com">hfgreene@mindspring.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Susan Fertig <<a href="mailto:susan@gmdtech.com">susan@gmdtech.com</a>>
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drunk your KoolAid, and I’m offended by your language in the message below and
the one that succeeds it.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
[mailto:oe-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Herman Greene<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 18, 2012
10:21 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Order Ecumenical Community'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Oe List ...] A good
reflection on Romney<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h2 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><b><font size=4
color="#b60b03" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.5pt;
color:#B60B03'><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/18/the_real_romney.html"
title="The Real Romney"><font color="#b60b03"><span style='color:#B60B03;
border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>The Real Romney</span></font></a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></b></h2>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#B60B03;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white'>Jonathan
Chait</span></font></a></span></font><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;background:
white'> says the </span></span></font></span><a
href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/17/romney_explains_obama_voters.html"><font
size=2 color="#b60b03" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:
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camera video</span></font></a><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;background:
white'> that went viral yesterday exposes Mitt Romney "as a far more
sinister character than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully
in thrall to a series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania
that has seized his party. He believes that market incomes in the United States
are a perfect reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged
upbringing as the private-school educated son of an auto
executive-turned-governor as an obvious refutation of that belief, Romney cites
his own life, preposterously, as a confirmation of it..." </span></span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
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<span style='background:white'>"The revelations in this video come to me
as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological
makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he
was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to
believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would
inflict upon the poor, sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to
conclude that Romney's embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for
the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class."</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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