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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yes, I'm guilty as charged. The surprising thing is
that now we are standing at the dénouement of history while we watch the new
formation. It is so helpful to have a library of grounded terms (i.e., related
to my life experience) to describe the action as these two things
take place. Is this what, "laying the tracks as the 21st. C. Limited roars down
the track?" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Don't answer, just pass along
another rail! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Is "shitty exciting" an
appropriate phrase? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Bill </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=walters@alaweb.com href="mailto:walters@alaweb.com">David Walters</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:45
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Can
the church change?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Pastor Bill has
bad case of what they yaked about in a weekend course on something called a
20th century revolution in something or another that I can't remember
,,,,oh yea!!...lucidity!!<BR><BR>-David Walters<BR><BR>--- <A
href="mailto:wsalmon@cox.net">wsalmon@cox.net</A> wrote:<BR><BR>From: "William
Salmon" <<A href="mailto:wsalmon@cox.net">wsalmon@cox.net</A>><BR>To:
"Order Ecumenical Community" <<A
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[Oe List ...] Salmon: Can the church change?<BR>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012
10:27:04 -0500<BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Can the institutional
church change? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> My quick answer is "Yes," the
church can change direction immediately! It happens at those times in history
that reveals a new paradigm: we believe we live in a World
of Squares only to discover there is a World of Rounds. We are living in
such times in the death of the Modern Scientific Worldview and the rise
of the Postmodern Intuitive Worldview. (Review the Social Process
Triangles!) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> In fact, the change already
has occurred within the United Methodist Church; it is now being
practiced under the leadership of those born after
<STRONG>1985,</STRONG> and among a few people--like those in the
Order--who are the old Awakened Squares who have lived on the point between
the No Longer and the Not Yet. All the others will need to die off! No hurry,
though. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Yes, many of us are
getting Rounder but less Square. OK?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Such is my life. However, it
is exciting to live during the Great (GREAT) Turn. At least it can't be said
that at this Great Turn the Awakened are shoveling shit in
Louisiana. No, it is in Kansas where we shovel the shit of a dead metaphor
under the leadership of the Great Asshole himself--Gov. BROWNback. Go figure.
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> (Sorry? Not
really!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Pastor Bill </FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcwmbw@yahoo.com href="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com">R Williams</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Colleague Dialogue</A> ; <A
title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 11, 2012 9:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue]
Hmm, the Methodists weigh in,sounds like the "council of a lifetime"</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>In the midst of the turmoil the church is going through this is
one of the most hopeful pieces I've seen. The primary question for me
is, can a church that has been so embedded in institutional structures for
so long realistically be expected to reverse course and again become a
movemental presence?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Randy </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the
world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it
desires."<BR>-Martin Buber (adapted)<BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> James Wiegel
<jfwiegel@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"
<oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue
<dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 11, 2012 9:42
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Dialogue] Hmm,
the Methodists weigh in, sounds like the "council of a
lifetime"<BR></FONT></DIV>
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vAlign=top>http://www.unitedmethodistreporter.com/2012/06/new-england-conference-delegation-no-common-identity-for-umc/<BR><BR>Jim
Wiegel<BR><BR>If you hear a voice within you say 'you cannot paint,'
then by all means paint, and that voice will be silenced. Vincent Van
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2012<BR>ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012<BR>The AZ Community of
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2012, 10:24 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Wedgeblade.net has actually been up since yesterday, but I just
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complete. All is good. In fact, all is good even when the website is
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