<html><P>sometimes the question comes to me in this voice...</P>
<P><EM>Can the ego/religious church die so that the inclusive, spiritual church may be born?</EM></P>
<P>for myself, within the context of my own life, I already know the answer.<BR>it is YES, because that is what I'm Living.</P>
<P>Jon Mark Elizondo<BR><BR>---------- Original Message ----------<BR>From: "William Salmon" <wsalmon@cox.net><BR>To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><BR>Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Can the church change?<BR>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:27:04 -0500<BR><BR></P>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Can the institutional church change? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> My quick answer is "Yes," the church can change direction immediately! It happens at those times in history that reveals a new paradigm: we believe we live in a World of Squares only to discover there is a World of Rounds. We are living in such times in the death of the Modern Scientific Worldview and the rise of the Postmodern Intuitive Worldview. (Review the Social Process Triangles!) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> In fact, the change already has occurred within the United Methodist Church; it is now being practiced under the leadership of those born after <STRONG>1985,</STRONG> and among a few people--like those in the Order--who are the old Awakened Squares who have lived on the point between the No Longer and the Not Yet. All the others will need to die off! No hurry, though. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Yes, many of us are getting Rounder but less Square. OK?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Such is my life. However, it is exciting to live during the Great (GREAT) Turn. At least it can't be said that at this Great Turn the Awakened are shoveling shit in Louisiana. No, it is in Kansas where we shovel the shit of a dead metaphor under the leadership of the Great Asshole himself--Gov. BROWNback. Go figure. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> (Sorry? Not really!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Pastor Bill </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Colleague Dialogue</A> ; <A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 11, 2012 9:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Hmm, the Methodists weigh in,sounds like the "council of a lifetime"</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>In the midst of the turmoil the church is going through this is one of the most hopeful pieces I've seen. The primary question for me is, can a church that has been so embedded in institutional structures for so long realistically be expected to reverse course and again become a movemental presence?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."<BR>-Martin Buber (adapted)<BR></DIV>
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<TD style="font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit" vAlign=top>http://www.unitedmethodistreporter.com/2012/06/new-england-conference-delegation-no-common-identity-for-umc/<BR><BR>Jim Wiegel<BR><BR>If you hear a voice within you say 'you cannot paint,' then by all means paint, and that voice will be silenced. Vincent Van Gogh<BR><BR>401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401<BR>+1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel<BR>jfwiegel@yahoo.com <A href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/" target=_blank>www.partnersinparticipation.com</A><BR><BR>Upcoming public course opportunities:<BR>ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012<BR>ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012<BR>The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012<BR>Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 <BR>See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/11/12, Timothy Wegner <I><twegner@swbell.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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