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<DIV>O-o-o-o! Jim, please finish your thought. What do you see going on under
this conversation as a different place than RS-I or ToP? Is this more than
intuition at work? Please put some flesh and these bones. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> I'm assuming that my recent
article on the "end times" collapse of the Modern Worldview and the birth of the
Postmodern Worldview--as demonstrated in the global implications of the Social
Process triangles--helps to bring a little clarity on our current
situation. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> This was sent out to OE, but I'm
not certain I ever saw it come back to me by email. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Waiting expectantly,
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Bill Salmon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>PS: There is one very good conversation in the
materials below. Good fertilizer for our food for thought. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> BS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jfwiegel@yahoo.com href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com">James Wiegel</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">Order Ecumenical Community</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 04, 2012 1:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue]
Guernica & Conversation Roots & Shoots</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">found this on
facebook. from Mark Davies, a colleague and partner with ICA USA
-- I am in a country clinging to its 20th Century empire and in a
denomination clinging to its 20th Century wineskins at a time when the
world needs so much more from us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Something in this
statement opens up for me what we are talking about underneath this
conversation about conversations . . . a lot has gone on since our
founding as a community, and what is going on now seems at a different
place than either "RS-1 days" or "ToP Facilitation days"</SPAN></P>
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face=Arial></FONT><BR></SPAN></P><BR><BR>Jim Wiegel<BR><BR>Many have
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<I><george.packard1@rcn.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>From:
George Packard <george.packard1@rcn.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Oe
List ...] [Dialogue] Guernica & Conversation Roots &
Shoots<BR>To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'"
<oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><BR>Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 7:58
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said, Susan.</SPAN></P>
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[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Susan
Fertig<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Order Ecumenical Community'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oe List ...]
[Dialogue] Guernica & Conversation Roots &
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<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Well,
the “not ours alone” is relative. We really have no idea how far
we permeated the global culture “back then”, and how many of these
“similar sounding” methodologies may have actually come from our early
experiments across this earth and it’s people and cultures.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">During
the time I was working in Bosnia, my staff would, from time to time,
get discouraged because they could not grasp with both hands the
results of what we were doing. I would encourage them to be
patient because this kind of transformation doesn’t happen in a day,
but also I would tell them, “If we are doing our job right, in 10
year’s time we will not be able to discern more than remnants of
our influence, because those we are working with will, by then, have
taken our methods and shaken them up in a bag with other things
they’re learning, and they will have made it all their own. Now
THAT would be real success for us.” It’s like Hesse’s
<I>Journey to the East</I>, where he kept seeing things that seemed
familiar but couldn’t quite come clearly into recognizable
focus…</SPAN></P>
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:04 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
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<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Can
no longer resist jumping into this stream. John's observation
that this conversation method isn't "ours alone" is so right. My
bilingual education mentor, Alma Flor Ada, whose mentor was Paulo
Freire, called her version of the methodology <STRONG><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Creative
Education.</SPAN></I></STRONG><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'"> </SPAN></EM>Its four phases are
<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Descriptive, Personal
Interpretive, Critical and Creative.</SPAN></EM> I shared this
material with Jo Nelson when she was writing <EM><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">The Art of Focused Conversation.
</SPAN></B></EM>You can find more about it on page 24 of that
book.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Matthew
Fox's description of the fourfold path of Creation Spirituality also
takes one on a deepening journey: <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Via Positiva, Via Negativa, Via
Creativa and Via Transformativa.</SPAN></EM></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm
taking an online course, <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Integral Enlightenment,
</SPAN></EM>with Craig Hamilton. Quite intense. The response of the
thousand-plus participants around the globe reminds me of how some of
us responded to RS-1. The evolutionary spirituality movement, with its
call to be "pioneers on the point of evolution," has a familiar
feeling tone. On my third reading of <EM><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Evolutionary
Enlightenment</SPAN></B></EM> by Andrew Cohen, I'm charting it, rather
laboriously, as I tend to do things. I think it brings Kaz's
<EM><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'">Spiritual Exercises
</SPAN></B></EM>into the 21st century with a rather practical
application.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Blessings,
dear colleagues,</SPAN></P></DIV>
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Unlikely Heroine's Journey </SPAN></EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">at <A
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<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In a
message dated 5/3/2012 8:22:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, <A
href="/mc/compose?to=jlepps@pc.jaring.my" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jlepps@pc.jaring.my">jlepps@pc.jaring.my</A>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Colleagues:<BR><BR>Since
this stream has involved a bit of ORID-bashing (or de-sanctifying if
you prefer) I’d like to say a little on its behalf. <BR><BR>O-R-I-D
is simply the sequence in which the mind works. We perceive
something, we react to it, we make sense of it, and we act
appropriately. When a facilitator sequences conversation questions
in that order, the dialogue flows naturally. The “depth” to which it
goes depends on the subject and the group and, to some extent, the
facilitator. <BR><BR>We recently presented this “method” to a group
of judges in Singapore and invited them to try it with a scripted
conversation at their 5 tables. The topic was “mentors.” The bottom
dropped out; All five table conversations went deep, and awe filled
the room. On reflection, the people gathered said the reason it
worked was the sequence of the questions: they flowed naturally.
Often that type conversation yields pious or abstract
characteristics of mentors; this one was specific and based on
experience of group members. As an outside observer during this
conversation, I thought it became a spirit conversation under the
category of meditation. <BR><BR>ORID, though belonging to the ToP
suite of methods, is not “ours” alone. I attended a workshop at an
IAF meeting in Germany in which the workshop leader (from the UK)
presented a conversation method entitled 4-F (facts, feelings,
findings, future). The leader had never heard of ORID. <BR><BR>When
you see what passes for group conversations in most situations,
having a sensible sequence that considers how the mind works is a
major step forward. How “deep” we let it go depends on how well
thought-through our questions are at the “I” and “D” levels – and
what is our aim in conducting the conversation in the first place.
<BR><BR>I look forward to your responses.<BR><BR>John
Epps<BR><BR><BR>At 05:06 AM 5/3/2012, you wrote:</SPAN></P>
<P class=yiv1535875606MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Steve,<BR> <BR>I
revere the "art form" methodology as much as and appreciate its
contribution over the years to our "knowing." However, in more
recent years I've arrived at a slightly evolved understanding of
knowing, having not so much to do with clarity, awareness,
consciousness and all of that as we used to define those
words. For me knowing now has more to do with "metanoia," what
the late Willis Harman called "mind change," which I take to mean
seeing the world differently to the extent that one revises ones
stories of reality and as a result, lives life differently.
The NT translation of "metanoia" is "born again," and it can occur
again and again in the course of a lifetime.<BR> <BR>To allow
this to happen, I'm finding conversational approaches like Bohmian
(physicist David Bohm) dialogue to be more effective. It is
much less structured than ORID, and therefore more open-ended and
less prescriptive about desired outcomes. It is more of an art
than an art form. The conclusions arrived at by the individual
participants are less important than the communal bonds established
in the process, built not on the basis of having arrived at a common
mind (read "consensus") regarding the subject at hand, but on the
foundation of discovered and acknowledged interdependence and shared
destiny, i.e., community. ORID, which still has a valuable
role to play in our work, depends more on the discipline of the
facilitator. "Dialogue" seems to me to depend more on the
discipline of the participants, with a skilled facilitator way over
on the side.<BR> <BR>I think generally we ICA types need to
loosen up a bit, occasionally put away our work sheets with
prescribed outcomes, and acknowledge that good things can happen,
and are happening, without our having to engineer them--in the midst
of which we can be participants with meaningful contributions to
make in our role as partners.
<BR> <BR>Randy<BR> <BR>"Listen to what is emerging from
yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by
it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."<BR>-Martin Buber
(adapted)<BR><B>From:</B> steve har <<A
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<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:08 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Dialogue] Guernica & Conversation Roots &
Shoots<BR><BR><BR>Regarding Wayne's assertion: "The basic
phenomonology of the conversation method has not changed. It has
always been oriented toward the ontological. If it isn't, it is some
other method - put it that way."<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #222222; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">With
respect, I'm afraid I disagree with Wayne's assertion that the basic
conversation method has changed. What has changed is the the
emphasis of the conversation. <BR><BR>In the Art Form method the
conversation is "for" being. It is ontological-existential and
ethical. In the ORID format [as articulated in ToP] the focus is
knowing and sharing something inside the context of a
facilitator-client agreement with a particular group of
participants. the conversation is "for" knowing i.e
epistemological.<BR><BR>Brian Stanfield's wonderful book of Focused
Conversations really highlights this shift to the client-consultant
workplace -which was a new field of engagement in which to practice
conversation making. <BR><BR>Reading Brian's workplace conversation
models is like reading the music scores for Bach's Well-tempered
Clavier. Publishing those models really did change the conversation
focus in my view. Of course there is other music to score and play
besides Bach's and there are other conversations to model besides
conversations for knowing [epistemology].<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> JWM's
NRM monastic distinctions are really powerful: Knowing |
Being | Doing are actually phenomenological distinctions for sorting
out the internal and social experiences that open up in
conversations and dialogues. <BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #222222; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A
conversation "for Being" [ontology] is an entirely different
score and it creates an entirely different kind of conversational
"music" that has a much wider and deeper expression - like the
original Guernica Art From conversation did or like the Tombstone
conversation did. In these conversations, you get to declare
something, you get to take a stand and say what you value. The
questions can reveal personal character, what was lost, what was
gained, who you are being in this moment as a human being. The
conversation can be profoundly existential i.e. ontological. It can
also contain varieties of ontological language like mythological and
religious expression.<BR><BR>There are 2 wonderful "Tombstone
Conversations" for being done recently by Charlie Rose in
commemorating the death of <BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12297
href="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12297" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12297</A>
and Christa Tippitt Contemplating Mortality <BR><A
title=http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2012/contemplating-mortality/
href="http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2012/contemplating-mortality/"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2012/contemplating-mortality/</A>
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conversation for Doing -using JWM's NRM phenomenology is Largely
unexplored in my opinion. John Epps wrote some brilliant and new
Other World in This World conversations in 1996 which I found in the
6th floor Archives last summer. last summer we tried some over
skype. Bruce Hanson gave a wonderful talk using the other world
charts and Hoksai's pictures to describe an Appreciative Inquiry
assignment at Hitachi Company on the outskirts of Tokyo. He talked
about himself as being a navigator on an otherworld trek.<BR><BR>In
my view the Jenkins's book on the 9 disciplines is a clearheaded
translation of the old monastic categories. What remains is to see
clearly the Knowing Being and Doing phenomenology in practice and in
roles like the role of a facilitator and the new roles of pedagogue,
story maker, coach, navigator<BR><BR>So in sum, the point wasn't to
jump on Wayne's good thoughts. The point is to make some new
distinctions about conversations that freshen the wind and hear new
music...<BR><BR>Steve <BR></SPAN><SPAN
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