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<div>Here in St Louie we work with several colleagues from the ECC and attended the ordination of several women priests.</div>
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From: R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com><br>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>
Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 9:44 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory<br>
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<div><SPAN>I find the concept of 50 ecumenical Catholic (not Roman) parishes to be intriguing. Frankly, the point of my greatest concern about the "Roman" Catholic church is, that with such heavy, top-down emphasis, nothing much is happening in the local parish, and the laity is (still) dormant at best. As we've always known, local people working locally is where the rubber meets the road.</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN>Would love the hear more about ECC, where it exists, and why we (I) haven't heard of it before.</SPAN></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Oe List ...] The Roman Catholic Church, the Old Catholic movement, and our common memory<br>
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<div>On May 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, R Williams wrote:</div>
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<div><FONT class=yiv1782309165Apple-style-span face=Tahoma>To the point, what is the state of being of an organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, where people can't go to the bathroom without hierarchical permission? These guys are so afraid of losing control that they're rendering the church irrelevant, and losing control. Just one more sign, I fear, of institutional decay.</FONT></div>
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<div><B>There are interesting developments in the historical church:</B></div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• new monasticism</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• emergent churches</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• co-located congregations</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• <I>independent Catholic churches</I></div>
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<div><B>I know the most about the <I>Ecumenical Catholic Communion</I> (ECC)</B>, a 13-year old network organization of nearly 50 autonomous Catholic parishes around the U.S. Think: </div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• Catholic, but not "Roman"</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• sacramental, eucharistic</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• married priests, ordained women</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• welcoming gays and lesbians</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• transparent, decentralized polity</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• apostolic succession with clergy-laity parity</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• acknowledging the Bishop of Rome, but not the Papacy</div>
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<div><B>The ECC is wrestling with <I>movemental challenges</I></B> that will resonate with many of us:</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• a young, growing organization</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• local self-sufficiency and decisional autonomy</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• structural contradictions</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• the role of symbolic leaders</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• bureaucratic systems and participatory process</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• organizational capacity building</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• depth spirit formation</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• sharing common memory</div>
<div><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=yiv1782309165Apple-tab-span></SPAN>• rapid leadership development</div>
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<div><B>The <FONT class=yiv1782309165Apple-style-span color=#ff2a1a>"bottom line"</FONT> —<I> <FONT class=yiv1782309165Apple-style-span color=#103ffb>the need for an order colleague network </FONT></I><FONT class=yiv1782309165Apple-style-span color=#103ffb>to mentor the ECC</FONT></B></div>
<div>Are any of you intrigued with making yourselves available to this movement as mentors to individuals, ECC parishes, or projects. I'm exploring a "creative companioning" relationship with ECC colleagues and wish I had a few order colleagues with whom I could consult and collaborate.</div>
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<div>Be in touch. Let's explore.</div>
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