[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 159, Issue 15

Mon Jun 23 20:54:10 PDT 2025

That is my recollection as well.

Paula

Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every
situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious
planet.*

On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 10:52 PM James Wiegel via OE <
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> Was Jean from New Zealand?
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> Jim Wiegel
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> “…the long work
> of turning their lives
> into a celebration
> is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
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> The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
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> On Jun 23, 2025, at 7:04 PM, Ann Ensinger Ensinger <ann.ensinger at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> One of my more "recent" fond memories was visiting 5th City (12? 15?)
> years ago. Ruth Carter had just retired but the PreSchool staff gave her a
> call and she came running over. We had a great reunion. She called her
> grandson to come over and meet us and he proudly showed showed us his Iron
> Man tatou on his fore arm. Then we walked over to the original statue and
> posed for pictures. I believe that the original statue was designed by Jean
> Loomis. Working in 5th City with the local residents -old and young-
> changed my life! So grateful.
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> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 12:58 PM, James Wiegel via OE
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> Yes Zoe, are you speechless over our wisdom?  In the midst of a silent
> retreat???
> Jim Wiegel
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> “…the long work
> of turning their lives
> into a celebration
> is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
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> The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
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> On Jun 23, 2025, at 7:26 AM, Seth Longacre via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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>  why is Zoe Barley replying to the digests with blank messages?
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> On Sun Jun 22 21:57:58 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote:
> Thanks Ken
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> Paula
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> Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every
> situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious
> planet.*
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> On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 6:51 PM Ken Fisher via OE <
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> Jean (& Terry) Loomis
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>  Gender neutral Iron Person is a good idea.
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> On Sun Jun 22 13:22:09 EDT 2025 Paula Philbrook via OE wrote:
> I think when the replication projects began ‘76 ish,  George Walters had
> the idea to make replicas for each location.
> George & I were assigned to 5th City at the time.  I drove to someplace
> in Chicago and picked up the statues.  They were then distributed at the
> next Council.
>
> We also had lapel pens made at some point.
>
> The iron man in Fifth City was drawn by ??? (Maybe Jean) Lewis.  She & her
> husband were in Order Community in the west side in mid/late 60’s.
>
> I have a statue in my living room.  It is the one my Dad had & we took it
> to the shop for the guy make the copies.
>
> One of my daughter’s first tattoo was the Iron Man perhaps Iron we need a
> gender neutral name.
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> Paula
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> Personal Mission Statement: *I nurture love, peace & harmony in every
> situation for my caring family, disempowered communities, and our precious
> planet.*
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> On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 11:29 AM David Marshall via OE <
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> Where’s IM Waldo? These mini Iron Man statues may be artifacts. If only
> one was made per Religious House, then there were only 50-100 of them in
> circulation then, and surely fewer now. I wonder how my dad got a hold of
> the one from the Wichita RH. He didn’t have any connection to that house,
> but since we joined the Order in Evanston in 1962 from Olathe, Kansas, not
> far from Wichita, it seems oddly appropriate for this one to have landed
> with the Marshall clan. Collectors items from an OE bygone era. 😊
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> Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one.
> I never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it
> was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things).
> So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and
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> On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE < <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program
> developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the
> early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of
> expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
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> Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the
> RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also,
> but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new
> format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was
> taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
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> All Good Wishes,
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was
> it taught in Canada or any other nations?
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> Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as
> the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation,
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>   1. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (David Marshall)
>   2. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig)
>   3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris)
>   4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig)
>   5. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (James Wiegel)
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:08:33 -0700
> From: David Marshall < <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>
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> David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still
> available.
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> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for
> Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
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> Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled
> to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and
> teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works
> and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early
> days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or
> fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret
> sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry
> from what the original child said.
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> Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in
> the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or
> indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers
> may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that
> very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni
> may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or
> teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming
> weekend.
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> David, Moraga, CA
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> ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for
> your perspective and insights.
>
> I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often
> wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the
> earlier years.
>
> Sincerely,
> Debra Harris Watson
> Houston
>
>
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>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
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> <mailto: <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
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>
> >> wrote:
> They weren't very big . . .
>
> Jim Wiegel < <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
>
> <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
> <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
>
> <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
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