[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 159, Issue 15

Sun Jun 22 09:05:16 PDT 2025

Re the religious house iron men statues, I believe I have the Denver one. I
never realized the RH name was on it! Now I have to see where it went (it
was in my living room until recently when I was redoing a lot of things).
So many things, so rich a history we share. I had RS-I in April 1971 and
recruited many more in the next several years.

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 9:10 AM Cheryl via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

> I learned the key elements of RS-1 in the Leadership Options program
> developed by George & (Keith) Elise Packard, Jan Ames and others in the
> early 90's. I later became part of the LO training team, with the hope of
> expanding its locations, which we found difficult to do.
>
> Later on, John Cock led an effort with others to refine and redevelop the
> RS-I into the Profound Journey Dialogue. I became part of that team also,
> but it was challenging to market it to a broader audience. I know the new
> format was taught many times, each in different cities. I know it was
> taught at least twice in MN. I would need to check on the dates.
>
> All Good Wishes,
> Cheryl Kartes, Mpls, MN
>
>
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via
> OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
> When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was
> it taught in Canada or any other nations?
>
> Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as
> the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation,
> to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions-
> though the fundamental concepts were universal.
>
> Debra Harris-Watson
> Houston
>
>
>
>
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>   3. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Debra Harris)
>   4. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (Susan Fertig)
>   5. Re: David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today (James Wiegel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:08:33 -0700
> From: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>, Debra Harris
>     <quantum1135 at yahoo.com>, Order Ecumenical Community
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> From: Susan Fertig <sfertig at blueskytech.us>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still
> available.
>
> Susan
>
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
>
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> .  Isaiah 58:11
>
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of David Marshall
> via OE
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical
> Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
> Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for
> Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
>
> Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled
> to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and
> teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works
> and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early
> days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or
> fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret
> sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry
> from what the original child said.
>
> Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in
> the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or
> indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers
> may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that
> very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni
> may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or
> teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming
> weekend.
>
> David, Moraga, CA
>
> Sent from my iPad
> David Marshall
> www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for
> your perspective and insights.
>
> I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often
> wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the
> earlier years.
>
> Sincerely,
> Debra Harris Watson
> Houston
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<
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>
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> They weren't very big . . .
>
> Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
>
> The unknown is what is.  And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, all that.  Unknown is what is.  Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plain sailing.    John Lennon
>
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler at gmail.com>
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>
> I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it
> was a long time ago.
> Dick
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House.
> Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
>
> Mary Laura Jones
> Grants Resource Development Consultant
> 53599 Pulver Road
> Three Rivers, MI 49093
> cell: 773 636-2022
> mljones2022 at gmail.com<mailto:mljones2022 at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
>
>
> Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day
> since Order fathers loom large in this book)
>
> IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and
> e-book.
>
> The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years
> later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their
> partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the
> first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with
> the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the
> still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary
> school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
>
> Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front
> cover of IRON BOY.
>
> And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my
> 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and
> they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had
> picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the
> Religious Houses have one?
>
> When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from
> the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to
> be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
>
> Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to
> IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me
> know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on
> Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
>
> Grace & Peace,
>
> David Marshall, www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
>
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> Richard H. T. Alton
> ICA Global Fund
> United Methodist Net Zero
> T: 773.344.7172
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> Make Plain the Vision, Habakkuh 2:2
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> From: Debra Harris <quantum1135 at yahoo.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it?vary?depending on the area? And
> was?it taught in Canada or any other nations??
> ?Of course the?concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI?and HDTP, as well
> as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a
> reformulation,?to broaden language & context?for a variety of cultures &
> faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.?
> Debra Harris-WatsonHouston
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Friday, June 20, 2025, 4:36 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still
> available.
>
> ?
>
> Susan
>
> ?
>
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
>
> ?
>
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> . ?Isaiah 58:11
>
> ?
>
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net>On Behalf Of David Marshall via
> OE
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical
> Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
> ?
>
> Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for
> Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
>
> ?
>
> Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled
> to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and
> teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works
> and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early
> days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or
> fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret
> sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry
> from what the original child said.
>
> ?
>
> Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in
> the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or
> indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers
> may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that
> very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni
> may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or
> teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming
> weekend.
>
> ?
>
> David, Moraga, CA
>
> ?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> David Marshall
>
> www.marshallbooks.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you?David for
> your perspective and insights.?
>
> ?
>
> I encountered and joined?the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often
> wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the
> earlier years.?
>
> ?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Debra Harris Watson
>
> Houston?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
> ?
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> They weren't very big . . .
>
> ?
>
> Jim Wiegel?
>
> The unknown is what is.? And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, all that.? Unknown is what is.? Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plain sailing.? ??John Lennon
>
> ?
>
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it
> was a long time ago.
>
> Dick
>
> ?
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House.?
> Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
>
> ?
>
> Mary Laura Jones
>
> Grants Resource Development Consultant
>
> 53599 Pulver Road
>
> Three Rivers, MI 49093
>
> cell: 773 636-2022
>
> mljones2022 at gmail.com
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
>
> ?
>
> Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff!?(Father?s Day - appropriate launch day
> since Order fathers loom large in this book)
>
> IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and
> e-book.
>
> The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years
> later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their
> partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the
> first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with
> the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the
> still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary
> school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.?
>
> Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front
> cover of IRON BOY.
>
> And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my
> 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and
> they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had
> picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the
> Religious Houses have one?
>
> When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from
> the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to
> be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
>
> Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to
> IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me
> know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on
> Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
>
> Grace & Peace,
>
> David Marshall,www.marshallbooks.net
>
> ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> OE mailing list
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>
>
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> ?
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> --
>
> Richard H. T. Alton
>
> ICA Global Fund
>
> United Methodist Net Zero
>
> T: 773.344.7172
>
> richard.alton at gmail.com
>
> Make Plain the Vision, Habakkuh 2:2
>
> Won't you be my neighbor?
>
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> Yes, it was taught in Venezuela. Lead teacher for my first RA-I was Steve
> Allen. Later I assisted in getting us ready for them--Dave Clark and Marg
> Tomlinson came to teach it. Then we had various other courses, like CS-III
> etc.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
>
>
>
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> . Isaiah 58:11
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via
> OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
> When was the last RS-1 taught? Did it vary depending on the area? And was
> it taught in Canada or any other nations?
>
> Of course the concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI and HDTP, as well as
> the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a reformulation,
> to broaden language & context for a variety of cultures & faith traditions-
> though the fundamental concepts were universal.
>
> Debra Harris-Watson
> Houston
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<
> https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature
> >
>
>
> On Friday, June 20, 2025, 4:36 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still
> available.
>
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
>
>
>
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> .  Isaiah 58:11
>
>
>
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of David Marshall
> via OE
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical
> Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
>
>
> Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for
> Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
>
>
>
> Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled
> to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and
> teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works
> and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early
> days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or
> fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret
> sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry
> from what the original child said.
>
>
>
> Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in
> the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or
> indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers
> may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that
> very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni
> may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or
> teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming
> weekend.
>
>
>
> David, Moraga, CA
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> David Marshall
>
> www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you David for
> your perspective and insights.
>
>
>
> I encountered and joined the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often
> wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the
> earlier years.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Debra Harris Watson
>
> Houston
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone<
> https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature
> >
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> They weren't very big . . .
>
>
>
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> The unknown is what is.  And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, all that.  Unknown is what is.  Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plain sailing.    John Lennon
>
>
>
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
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>
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>
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> On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it
> was a long time ago.
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House.
> Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
>
>
>
> Mary Laura Jones
>
> Grants Resource Development Consultant
>
> 53599 Pulver Road
>
> Three Rivers, MI 49093
>
> cell: 773 636-2022
>
> mljones2022 at gmail.com<mailto:mljones2022 at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>
> Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
>
>
>
> Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff! (Father?s Day - appropriate launch day
> since Order fathers loom large in this book)
>
> IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and
> e-book.
>
> The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years
> later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their
> partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the
> first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with
> the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the
> still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary
> school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.
>
> Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front
> cover of IRON BOY.
>
> And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my
> 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and
> they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had
> picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the
> Religious Houses have one?
>
> When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from
> the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to
> be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
>
> Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to
> IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me
> know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on
> Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
>
> Grace & Peace,
>
> David Marshall, www.marshallbooks.net<http://www.marshallbooks.net>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
>
> Richard H. T. Alton
>
> ICA Global Fund
>
> United Methodist Net Zero
>
> T: 773.344.7172
>
> richard.alton at gmail.com<mailto:richard.alton at gmail.com>
>
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 01:29:15 +0000 (UTC)
> From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
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> 48 Joe Slicker We Saw the Rise in RS 1's Go Over the Hill
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>
>
> This from Joe Slicker -- sorry I did not get the year he is referencing.?
> John and Linda Cock and a host of other colleagues -- also in Canada --
> created a program in which they tried to replicate the RS-1 happening in
> the 2000's.? I forget what it was called and also the dates. (sigh)? Fred
> Lanphear shared a great poem about remembering stuff:Fred Lanphear This is
> a Poem by Billy Collins
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>
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> |
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>
> |
>
>
>
>
> Jim Wiegel ?
>
>
>
> Theunknown is what is.? And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, allthat.? Unknown is what is.? Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plainsailing.? ??John Lennon
>
>
>
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com
>
>
>     On Friday, June 20, 2025 at 06:04:58 PM MST, Susan Fertig via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, it was taught in Venezuela. Lead teacher for my first RA-I was Steve
> Allen. Later I assisted in getting us ready for them--Dave Clark and Marg
> Tomlinson came to teach it. Then we had various other courses, like CS-III
> etc.
> Susan
> ?
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
> ?
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> . Isaiah 58:11
> ?
> ?
> ?From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Debra Harris via
> OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 6:36:58 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Debra Harris <quantum1135 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today?When
> was the last RS-1 taught? Did it?vary?depending on the area? And was?it
> taught in Canada or any other nations??
> ?Of course the?concepts of RS-1 were embedded into ITI?and HDTP, as well
> as the Academy. However, the Turn to the World necessitated a
> reformulation,?to broadenlanguage & context?for a variety of cultures &
> faith traditions- though the fundamental concepts were universal.?
> Debra Harris-WatsonHouston
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Friday, June 20, 2025, 4:36 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> David, I took my RS-1 the first time in 1971. It was very much still
> available.
>
> ?
>
> Susan
>
> ?
>
> Susan Fertig-Dykes
>
> ?
>
> And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought
> . ?Isaiah 58:11
>
> ?
>
> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net>On Behalf Of David Marshall via
> OE
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:09 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: David Marshall <davidpaulmarshall1956 at gmail.com>; Order Ecumenical
> Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] David Marshall's IRON BOY Launches Today
>
> ?
>
> Whoops, that last message about Order Kids? structures was meant for
> Wesson. As an OE listserv newbie, I?m still trying to navigate.
>
> ?
>
> Responding to Debra?s comment, that?s one of the reasons I was compelled
> to write IRON BOY, to give a first-hand account from a child?s and
> teenager?s perspective from the beginning. Many friends, family, co-works
> and history buffs over multiple generations have heard about those early
> days in the Order, but I suspect much of it was second-, third-, or
> fourth-hand. It?s like playing Telephone as a kid. By the time the secret
> sentence whispered in each year gets to the end of the line, it?s a far cry
> from what the original child said.
>
> ?
>
> Another motivator for me: I wondered how many folks who joined the ICA in
> the 1970s and later ever knew what RS-1 was or could measure its direct or
> indirect impact for themselves if it was not longer available. Many readers
> may be surprised that an RS-1 primer is embedded inside IRON BOY for that
> very reason, albeit from an 11-year-old?s perspective. Many EI/ICA alumni
> may still ask today how much of RS-1 could be understood by a child or
> teenager. I?ll attempt to answer that in a listserv post this coming
> weekend.
>
> ?
>
> David, Moraga, CA
>
> ?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> David Marshall
>
> www.marshallbooks.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:38?PM, Debra Harris via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> ? I ordered it on Kindle and just started reading it- thank you?David for
> your perspective and insights.?
>
> ?
>
> I encountered and joined?the Order in 1984 when I was 26 and often
> wondered what is was like to grow up in the Order, especially in the
> earlier years.?
>
> ?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Debra Harris Watson
>
> Houston?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
> ?
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025, 7:26 PM, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> They weren't very big . . .
>
> ?
>
> Jim Wiegel?
>
> The unknown is what is.? And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, all that.? Unknown is what is.? Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plain sailing.? ??John Lennon
>
> ?
>
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> On Thursday, June 19, 2025 at 12:32:46 PM MST, Richard Alton via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> I don't remember having an Iron Man statue in the houses I was in.. but it
> was a long time ago.
>
> Dick
>
> ?
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:29?PM ML Jones via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes David, There was an Iron Man statue in every Religious House.?
> Congratulations on your book. I have ordered it, Mary Laura Jones
>
> ?
>
> Mary Laura Jones
>
> Grants Resource Development Consultant
>
> 53599 Pulver Road
>
> Three Rivers, MI 49093
>
> cell: 773 636-2022
>
> mljones2022 at gmail.com
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:01?AM David Marshall via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Former Order Colleagues & Friends,
>
> ?
>
> Sunday ?House Church? Blastoff!?(Father?s Day - appropriate launch day
> since Order fathers loom large in this book)
>
> IRON BOY is officially for sale today on Amazon as both a paperback and
> e-book.
>
> The Iron Man statue is still alive and well in Fifth City sixty years
> later. In 2021, I visited Chicago with my wife, daughter, son, and their
> partners, and we all went to visit Fifth City and the Iron Man?they for the
> first time. Attached are some photos, of me in front of the Iron Man with
> the Program Center in the background where I took part of the Academy, the
> still-running ?Iron Man Can? Fifth City Preschool, and my old elementary
> school, now renamed Leif Ericson Scholastic Academy.?
>
> Also a vintage wintertime Iron Man statue photo that I used for the front
> cover of IRON BOY.
>
> And finally a little artifact from that era I just received. I visited my
> 93-year old dad Gene and 91-year-old step-mom Joyce in Texas recently, and
> they gave me this seven-inch-tall metal Iron Man statute that they had
> picked up along the way from the Wichita Religious House. Did all the
> Religious Houses have one?
>
> When I raise up my hands like the Iron Man, I think of these words from
> the Order song, ?Free, free, free to decide, what this world is going to
> be.? We've still got a lot of work to do!
>
> Much appreciation for putting up with my 10-week House Church countdown to
> IRON BOY?s debut. If you read it, or share it with others, please let me
> know the impact. You can obtain both the paperback and e-book now on
> Amazon, and through other bookstores soon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/IRON-BOY-Searching-Freedom-Religious/dp/B0FCMMVHDC
>
> Grace & Peace,
>
> David Marshall,www.marshallbooks.net
>
> ?
>
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>
>
>
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> ?
>
> --
>
> Richard H. T. Alton
>
> ICA Global Fund
>
> United Methodist Net Zero
>
> T: 773.344.7172
>
> richard.alton at gmail.com
>
> Make Plain the Vision, Habakkuh 2:2
>
> Won't you be my neighbor?
>
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