[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] WHO WE WERE
James Wiegel
JFwiegel at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 1 07:39:00 PDT 2022
Two perspectives from Joe Slicker on what was going on around the turn — particularly pertinent to Bill Schlessinger’s comment
We saw the rise in RS-1’s go over the hill —
https://youtu.be/yfUS8VPpKn4
The 70’s came
https://youtu.be/xz4xJbdRChY
Jim Wiegel
“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking
> On Jul 29, 2022, at 8:07 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> 2 items
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> 1. Follow this link to a transcript from 1970 that contains a drawing “the first operating image of our group … drawn in 1956”. https://wedgeblade.net/files/archives_assets/521.pdf
> The drawing sort of frames the discussion and Sunny’s remembrance. It also illustrates for me that we were an early example of an organizational development / transformation intervention. One of the current leaders in the ToP network recently completed his doctoral thesis on us titled something like Caring as Radical Organization Development.
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> 2. How about we invent / schedule a couple of ZOOM COLLEGIUMS and pursue this intriguing topic?
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> Jim Wiegel
> “…the long work
> of turning their lives
> into a celebration
> is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
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> The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
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>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Karen Snyder via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Nancy Lanphear via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>> This is one of the most relevant questions I think we can try to navigate. In the Midst of all the crisis and chaos of these days? It seems to me mush of the awakening and challenge is happening right now. Is it within the church, doesn’t feel like it. Great quest for thought and dialogue. I’m open, are you all?
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>>>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Randy Williams via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>> Sunny,
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>>>> That has been my understanding as well. But the speech I referenced, which Wiegel provided the link to, is Joe’s opening address at the Summer ‘72 Research Assembly. That’s sure not what he was saying. His direct quote is, “As you look back across these fifty-five years (of church renewal), it is clear that in terms of what the renewal forces which began about the middle of World War I intended to accomplish, the Church has been renewed.”
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>>>> He said that “the effort to renew the People of God” was done “and that the theoretical job…had been accomplished.” He then said it was time “to shift from the emphasis on the theoretical…to the practical.” He seemed to say that meant the task was now for us to be the practical demonstration of the church renewing the secular world.
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>>>> That seems to be what he meant by the “Great Turn.” “Therefore, there is no more need for the forces of renewal in the Church since their job has been accomplished.” Then he said, “What the Church needs are demonstrations in the concrete arenas of society of what it means to be mission in the civilizing process.”
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>>>> I can send you the link to the whole speech if you’d like.
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>>>> Randy
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>>>>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Sunny Walker via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Randy, I came into the Order shortly before the turn to the world and always heard it was an end run around the church, directly to the world.
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>>>>> Sunny Walker
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>>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 3:20 PM Randy Williams via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>> I think I asked this question a few years ago but will do so again. Around about 1972 some declaration was made that “the church is renewed,” and we did the “turn to the world.” My question is, did we do the “turn” because we thought our work with the church was done, or because we thought the attempts to renew the church were proving fruitless, so we did an “end run” around the church directly to the world? I have absolutely zero axes to grind here, but if we did think the church had been renewed, what was the evidence? What did we point to as the signs of renewal, and to what degree has it been sustained? I do believe this question is relevant to “who we were.”
>>>>>> Randy
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>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Frank Knutson via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Colleagues,
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>>>>>>> For me, the most radical was self support (not depending on anyone else for our support thus not being beholden to anybody) and poverty—in the U.S. $84/month. WOW!
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>>>>>>> The decision to Renew the Church. That war was won when the 3 strategies were decided & Imaginal Education methods were brought online. Everything flowed from that. And I agree with Sarah—Spirit Re-motivation was the glue without which nothing would happen. It’s the story of CF&LC & O:E/EI/ICA that is the important story for the world. That’s how it all came about—it was people making the impossible, possible.
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>>>>>>> This is a diagram I created for the Archive Project, circa 2016. Notice that Spiritual Re-Motivation embraces it all.
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>>>>>>> <3 STRATAGIES.png>
>>>>>>> G-O-D Bless
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>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Karenbueno via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Dear colleagues,
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>>>>>>>> I'll add one daring thing we said to each other "back then".
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>>>>>>>> "All time is assigned time!"
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>>>>>>>> Even at the age of 84, I cannot retire, but stay active in local church, women's group, climate action groups, and keep reading new books about our times!
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>>>>>>>> Karen Bueno (formerly Mrs. Terrence Wright, Karen Wright)
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>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>>>>>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers at msn.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2022 5:19 pm
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHO WE WERE
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>>>>>>>> Thanks to you, Frank, for sharing Gordon's wonderful reflections, and to Terry, and Randy for your reflections. I feel that you and I and many of us OE/ICA folk are a continuation of many of the ideas, visions, strategies, and actions of OE/ICA's past, and of course, many other sources as well. I find that I have continued to manifest many OE/ICA models and methods in other institutions and work over the past thirty years and continue to do so today. I agree that the most important question is: What are you and I doing today, each day, in this critical time of climate chaos, guns, threats to women, pandemics, war, and the decline of democracy? How can we take care of ourselves so that we can continue to care for those who care locally and globally?
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>>>>>>>> Robertson Work
>>>>>>>> Earth activist and author
>>>>>>>> Books and bio: https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF
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>>>>>>>> From: OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Randy Williams via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:44 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Randy Williams <randycw1938 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] WHO WE WERE
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>>>>>>>> In considering who we were and what we did as participation in some kind of continuum, I find myself thinking about what came before that gave rise to the part we played, and what has emerged, and is still emerging, as the result of our work. Saying this, I stand humbly before the reality that all change is the outcome of millions of relationships and interactions throughout time and space of which we, in the whole array, were but a momentary flicker, though I would trust, a necessary flicker.
>>>>>>>> Randy
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>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 11:20 AM, Terry Bergdall via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Many of us continue to reflect upon those days, their significance, and, perhaps even more importantly, implications for our lives today. I know I do. I appreciated reading Gordon’s list, especially his comment about not trying to evaluate anything. It has more to standing before the wonder of it. I certainly have immense gratitude for being a part of the experience. Which, of course, in some form or another (even if it is just a listserv like this) continues today. Terry
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>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 08:41, Frank Knutson via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Colleagues, I ran across this document from Gordon Harper. I share it with you. He articulates what so many of us experienced in those extraordinary years.
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>>>>>>>>>> What Were We Thinking??
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>>>>>>>>>> It’s MLK Day, 2015, and I guess I have to write this. My own fault for letting myself get drawn into this bloody archive project. I’m one of those who are currently in the process of “accessioning” their own files. Which is to say, registering in an online database the types and quantities of materials we have in our personal collections.
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>>>>>>>>>> I found I had to sit down in the midst of reviewing these piles of file folders and reflect on what on earth it was that we thought we were doing "back then." As I tried restating for myself some aspects of that, I got sucked into that vortex of wonder that all of us who were around then experienced on more than one occasion.
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>>>>>>>>>> I’m astounded once again at the audacity of what we set out to do--at the range and scope of even imagining that such an undertaking might be possible (and, knowing that it was humanly impossible, nevertheless committing ourselves to doing it).
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>>>>>>>>>> What follows are a few of my wonderments. I’m inviting you to share yours. Your way of talking about this will be different from mine (of course: we didn’t agree on everything even back then). Here goes with some of what I’ve been ruminating about:
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>>>>>>>>>> · We set out to deeply understand and engage the historical moment in which we found ourselves, the global forces at work in that moment and the profound changes underway.
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>>>>>>>>>> · To do this, we studied and attempted to articulate for ourselves nothing less than the nature, the history and the dynamic relationships of the nations, regions, cultures and religions of planet Earth.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We created a framework that sought to capture and operate out of an essential knowledge of the key concepts not only of our own Western intellectual tradition but of Eastern and Southern thought as well.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We took on the challenge of discerning and daring to say what it meant to be fully human and the nature of the existential issues and decisions facing every human being in the twentieth century.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We undertook a massive crowdsourcing research effort in order to map and describe the nature of human social interaction and produced a model of the economic, political and cultural processes operating at every level of society.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We explored, reformulated and embodied ancient spiritual practices and created a variety of new ones in order to live spirit filled lives ourselves and to keep its presence at the forefront of everything we did.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We developed a corporate culture and form of intentional community that sought to hold the impossible tension between radical personal freedom and disciplined collective action.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We designed a strategy for building a global movement of decisional change agents and constructed a range of tools to awaken, engage, train and sustain them.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We sought to connect and integrate the interior spirit life and external structural dimensions of the profound changes we saw required in society
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>>>>>>>>>> · We adopted, adapted and invented methodologies designed to give all people a place at the table and real voice in the decisions being made that affected their lives.
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>>>>>>>>>> · We formulated and implemented a strategy for catalyzing substantive change from the local level to the global that involved pilot project demonstrations, wide scale replication campaigns and a reconstituted system of education that provided people, communities and organizations with new and empowering images of possibility.
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>>>>>>>>>> Clearly, only a start. Join in with what you’d say, how you’d say it. Not trying to evaluate anything here, just capture a bit of what it was that captured us.
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