[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Birthday Witness. Now the New York Times chimes in . ..

Fri Jan 10 04:39:27 PST 2020

Thank you Dawn for your birthday witness.

A Muslim associate and I were walking down a street in Mumbai in the early
70s
A dead body was being taken to be cremated by the family.
She then told me of a Muslim practice.
She was taught and encouraged to say quietly
'You go ahead,
I follow after"
(This is a loose translation)

This practice allows one to own one's own death.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:39 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

> Hi Isobel.  Prayers for Australia.  Hope the monsoon rains make it to the
> southeast.
>
> Ellie :)
> elliestock at aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isobeljimbish--- via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au <isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2020 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Birthday Witness. Now the New York
> Times chimes in . ..
>
>
> Thanks Judi, we are struggling through another very hot day with various
> fires at ‘watch and act’ stage in NSW and Victoria.
> The monsoon season has begun in the North  west of Australia. This may
> probably bring some moisture to us in the South east, by and by.
> We are grateful for all the international firefighters who have come down
> here, so thank you to yours !👏👏🐨🌏🌠
> Our summer will be long and different now.
> Greetings and love,
> Isobel Bishop
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 10 Jan 2020, at 3:45 pm, Dawn Collins via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>  Birthday Witness
>
> Capturing the moments spent tending to mom during her final transition, I
> find I owned my death...
>
> At 92 on August 15, 2015, mom rode the train to glory after being
> unconscious for several days before her demise. She spent her last days at
> home cared for 24/7 by my younger sister, Janet, my oldest daughter, Traci
> and myself. Since Traci and Jan worked, I was with mom for greater stints
> of time.
>
> Mom received the word from her heart specialist in the hospital after
> suffering a second stroke and heart attack. He relayed to her that the
> medicine he was prescribing would only temporarily prolong her life and to
> get her affairs in order. "You know what  that  means?" "Yes", she replied,
> I'm going to die soon." I still have her hospital lunch menu from March of
> that year.
>
> We watched the movie (cartoon), Brave on the mounted TV together and I
> commented from time to time as we silently joined in viewing the entire
> film. (I saw the cartoon, Frozen earlier and like Brave better).
>
> After her release to home, we tended her body and spirit with certain
> duties being given to the three of us. I was helping her with breakfast
> when she suddenly upchucked a bit and went to sleep. She was breathing
> markedly and her right side was paralyzed. I crawled in behind her on the
> bed and rested a bit while listening to her breaths filling the room.
>
> I received the call at my home that mom's last breath was at 3 a.m. that
> August morn.   And the three of us gathered together and so began the
> mourning and practical preparations for what had become her journey's end.
>
> And now approaching my 80th year I'm conscious of the ashes I was
> apportioned in a small urn on my altar, and mark the times I pause and
> fill the moment with a desire to call her on the phone or share with the
> family the remembrance of that precious soul with, "As granny used to say."
>
> I wonder, will I be remembered thusly in a moment of shared humor or
> soberness?
>
> Kindfully yours,
>
> dawn
>
>
> We love the Creator/Source/Spirit because the Final Reality loved us first.
> 1 John 4:19
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 08:08:56 PM MST, isobeljimbish--- via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Del and all of you who have emailed and Fb us.
> The country is on fire indeed.
> We hope that leadership will prevail and that those former Fire
> Commissioners who asked to meet the Prime Minister in  March last year, to
> discuss preparations for what conflagration they predicted was coming in
> the summer- that now he and his colleagues will listen, at last.
> Another positive outcome I believe,  is that the First Peoples will have a
> platform to share their own skills and fire management strategies,
> thousands of years old. Already their wisdom is being sought.
> I live with hope in my heart that these two drives forward will happen.
> We do much appreciate your concern.
> Thank you all.
> Grace and  peace  and love be yours,
> Isobel Bishop
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 9 Jan 2020, at 10:43 am, Del Morrill via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> With these disastrous fires in Australia  our thoughts are often with our
> friends there, and more than a bit worried.
>
> Del (and Justin too)
>
>
>
> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> *On Behalf Of *isobeljimbish---
> via OE
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:17 PM
> *To:* Judi White <sophiacircle at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au; Order Ecumenical Community <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Birthday Witness. Now the New
> York Times chimes in . ..
>
>
>
> Thank you Judi for this reflection.
>
> Yesterday Elaine Telford celebrated her 80th Birthday in style !
>
> Family and friends gathered with the vast network of people Elaine has
> touched with her extraordinary life.! I
>
> A happy moment,  in the midst of our raging bush fires.
>
> With love,
>
> Isobel Bishop
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 5 Jan 2020, at 2:54 am, Judi White <sophiacircle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://m.dailygood.org/story/2236/the-joy-of-being-a-woman-in-her-seventies-mary-pipher/.
> Yessterday was the funeral for a friend. She and I and five others in our
> local social group reached 75 this year. She found out 3 months ago that
> her days were incurably numbered. She prepared for yesterday in extensive
> detail and spent all her remaining time loving being near her family. In
> the one conversation I had with her she shared that she was at peace with
> deeply acknowledging that the upcoming final moment is a natural
> conclusion, from which she was not exempt. She also said that each day of
> decline was presenting a new challenge for her to embrace. She said she was
> grateful for these challenges which gave her an opportunity to ask her
> resilience to support her. I imagine that she, a long time 5th grade
> teacher, did not pass up one opportunity to role model and share her
> perspective with her family as they remained close to her. The happiness
> that she brought to their lives and ours reigned throughout yesterday's
> celebration of Beverly Phillip's life now completed.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 4:19 AM isobeljimbish--- via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Randy,
>
> Thank you for this reflection. I appreciate it very much  as it occasioned
> me to remember how my Dad and I spent a month in preparation for his death.
>
> With love
>
> Isobel Bishop
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 4 Jan 2020, at 6:39 am, Randy Williams via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> My mother died in March of 2001 at age 90. I spent every waking hour of
> her last five days with her. She was conscious and cognizant until about
> the last eight hours before she died. We had some incredible conversations
> on: What is death? What is it like to die? What will it be like after we
> die? I attribute the quality of the dialogue to, one, neither of us acted
> as if we actually knew the answers to the questions but we were both
> willing to struggle for some clarity. And two, neither of us tried to kid
> the other about the fact that she was dying. This freed us both up to share
> honestly and from the depths. I feel certain we both had our lives changed
> and our love for each other deepened during those five unforgettable last
> days for her. I would love to talk with a loved one about those same
> questions when my time nears.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:39 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/nyregion/ruth-willig-oldest-death.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing&emc=edit_NN_p_20200103§ion=longRead?campaign_id=9&instance_id=14935&segment_id=20013&user_id=505cb1dd7896a746e64ebf529d31e095®i_id=77723647ion=longRead
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/nyregion/ruth-willig-oldest-death.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing&emc=edit_NN_p_20200103&section=longRead?campaign_id=9&instance_id=14935&segment_id=20013&user_id=505cb1dd7896a746e64ebf529d31e095&regi_id=77723647ion=longRead>
>
> With Respect,
>
> Jim Wiegel
>
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