[Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church -- one ofthe founders was interviewed recently

Wed Feb 6 05:35:51 PST 2019

That is great for somebody inn their 70s
Dick

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:09 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for adding in, Troy.  I found myself thinking about the old EI
> "story" of history of the Church (hmm, would be RS-IIc -- how's that for
> random memory access??)
> Early period -- clarity on the word about life
> Medieval period -- being the glue of society
> Reformation -- being the prophet and priest
> Now (or then, as in the last century) -- social pioneer
>
> I am thinking, in a local congregation, you don't have the option to just
> go for social pioneer, it cannot last (
>
> Have to balance all 4 -- clarity on the word, being the glue of society,
> prophet/priest, social pioneer (this comment may not be at all relevant or
> clear, but, hey, I'm in my 70's --
>
> Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123>
>
> “That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but
> the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis
>
> 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353
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> 623-363-3277
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> jfwiegel at yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler at gmail.com>
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> www.partnersinparticipation.com
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> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 4:30:37 PM MST, Troy Jarvis via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> I’m not acquainted with Jack, but think you are mishearing what the pastor
> is saying, which leads to what seems like you are questioning him. I am
> quite certain what his response would be to your questions (since I do know
> him), but you can ask him yourself through ShadowRock web site. He would
> not take offense. BTW, ShadowRock has been a sanctuary church for several
> years and Ken and others go down to ICE offices monthly for a gathering to
> let them know they are being “watched.” Ken has been pastor for, I believe,
> 11 years now.
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> I share Jim’s concerns for existential Christianity. I trust the
> existential will always find a way.
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> Troy Jarvis
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> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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> *From: *Jack Gilles via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:59 PM
> *To: *OE Listserve <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc: *Jack Gilles <jackcgilles at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church --
> one ofthe founders was interviewed recently
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> I watched the video. Very good, but I take it this is the new pastor. His
> comment about “as long as the action doesn’t break the law” really hit me.
> What does he say about the sit-ins of the civil rights movement? How would
> he explain Bonhoeffer’s decision to kill Hitler? What makes the law (he
> says of the establishment) make breaking it a taboo? I wish she would have
> given back the image of the Trans-establishment. Gene Marshall has a
> wonderful diagram and statement on that. I worry about the future for that
> church.
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> Jack
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> On Feb 4, 2019, at 09:28, Jean Long via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
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> Hi Jim -
>
> Did you actually go to Shadow Rock and talk to them or was this
> conversation something you found along the way?
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> Jean
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> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:53 PM Linda and Milan Hamilton via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> Thanks Jim, if I were to go back to the institutional church that is the
> kind of group I would be a part of. And it being a part of my old
> denomination struck me. My second choice would be Redlands UCC, in our
> town, which has not quite the intentional history but close. But I am in
> the bleachers cheering them on and doing my best to stay grounded in the
> Way Life Is. MM
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:33 AM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> North Phoenix.  Remember the RS-1 worship intro about architecture?  The
> building is shaped as a wedgeblade and the front is floor to ceiling
> windows looking out on the world.  Wedgeblade instead of a cross.
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> Shadow Rock UCC | <https://www.shadowrockucc.org/>
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> Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123>
>
> “That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but
> the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis
>
>
> 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler at gmail.com>
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com
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> On Thursday, January 31, 2019, 12:29:54 PM MST, Linda and Milan Hamilton <
> lindaandmilan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Well that was a trip back to some good old 20th century grounding. A
> church actually basing it’s life on RS1 and evolving as a “social pioneer.”
> Where is Shadow Rock church?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:25 AM, John C via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
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> Thanks much, Jim. A fine 30” dialogue between ministers relative to
> foundational operating images of Shadow Rock Church then in 1970s and today.
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> Notice that the wedge blade still stands.
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> John and Lynda C.
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> *From: *OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel
> via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Reply-To: *Jim Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>, Order Ecumenical Community <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 1:32 PM
> *To: *Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>, Colleague
> Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>, Judith Wiegel <
> judithwiegel at yahoo.com>
> *Cc: *Jim Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
> *Subject: *[Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church -- one
> of the founders was interviewed recently
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> Our Covenant:
> *We covenant one with another to be that sensitive and responsive part of
> human society which perceives and responds to God’s newest thrust in the
> midst of history. The uniqueness and greatness of every life is radically
> affirmed. Our task together demands a comprehensive view of life, always
> pointed intentionally to the future. Our life together involves us
> individually and corporately in study and worship, always maintaining a
> proper balance between proclamation of the Word about life with the deeds
> which make life good. Those activities which eliminate age barriers, cut
> across religious dogma, reduce cultural parochialisms, and engage secular
> people with life’s ultimate possibilities will be worthy of our best
> efforts.*
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> Conversation with Rev. Robin Krieder <https://youtu.be/0px_XJWZR5M>
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> Conversation with Rev. Robin Krieder
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> Shadow Rock Conversation with Rev. Robin Krieder. Rev. Krieder speaks
> about the founding of Shadow Rock and the ...
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> [image: https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png]
> Conversation with Rev. Robin Krieder
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> Shadow Rock Conversation with Rev. Robin Krieder. Rev. Krieder speaks
> about the founding of Shadow Rock and the ...
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> Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=123>
>
> “That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but
> the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis
>
>
> 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353
>
> 623-363-3277
>
> jfwiegel at yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler at gmail.com>
>
> www.partnersinparticipation.com
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