[Oe List ...] Not necessarily changing the topic, but . . .

Tue Feb 5 20:27:25 PST 2019

3 things going well with the Union--I got a sense of the people of this nation at work -- not simply jobs but that there is an amazing amount of forward energy being expended across this land--far more than I ever generally hear about--Lots of big issues are surfacing many long standing that need attention -- boring stuff like infrastructure, stuff we are paralyzed on like immigration--New leadership -- a lot of us old people are still sort of in charge, at the same time, there are many younger folks stepping up
3 things not going well, need improvement--We seem totally consumed by tv, social media, internet to the degree that we can hardly focus on any substance, so distracted by our unskilled use of visual and instant media.  The professionals seem more stuck in this than anyone--Slogans -- still get a big response, but "socialism/freedom" or "white privilege/racism" or the many other either or slogans seem patently unhelpful  Mothers rights/infant/fetus rights -- I just don't see how that is going to be worked out--an absolute addiction to anything contentious and conflictual -- just vacuums up our consciousness and attention -- 
for extra credit:Your 5 point plan (ha ha)

Jim Wiegel  

“That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis

401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353
623-363-3277

jfwiegel at yahoo.com

www.partnersinparticipation.com

    On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 6:46:08 PM MST, James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:  

 Those of you listening in to the US State of the Union might chime in -- 3 things going well with the Union3 things not going well, need improvement
for extra credit:Your 5 point plan (ha ha)
For those of you free from the "US is the whole world" cloud - you could share a broader perspective, or  ...
Jim Wiegel  

“That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis

401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353
623-363-3277

jfwiegel at yahoo.com

www.partnersinparticipation.com

    On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 6:11:47 PM MST, Beret Griffith via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:  

 The opening question, "What does it mean to be the church?"...I wonder how many congregations have asked this question?
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 6:46 PM Lynda C via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Jack, In defense of that video and that comment it most likely was a tongue in cheek remark, because they have been a Sanctuary church for some time, doing bold ministries to immigrants in spite of the law.  I’m not worried about that church at all.  

They are a church that I also would be very proud to be part of.  Their leadership is well grounded in Bonhoeffer and RS-I from their earliest beginnings and have worked with the Profound Journey Dialogue and with Gene Marshall to help newer members understand the concepts.    

Lynda and John Cock   

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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church -- one of the founders was interviewed recently

I watched the video. Very good, but I take it this is the new pastor. His comment about “as long as the action doesn’t break the law” really hit me. What does he say about the sit-ins of the civil rights movement? How would he explain Bonhoeffer’s decision to kill Hitler? What makes the law (he says of the establishment) make breaking it a taboo? I wish she would have given back the image of the Trans-establishment. Gene Marshall has a wonderful diagram and statement on that. I worry about the future for that church. 

Jack

On Feb 4, 2019, at 09:28, Jean Long via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Hi Jim -

Did you actually go to Shadow Rock and talk to them or was this conversation something you found along the way?

Jean

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:53 PM Linda and Milan Hamilton via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Thanks Jim, if I were to go back to the institutional church that is the kind of group I would be a part of. And it being a part of my old denomination struck me. My second choice would be Redlands UCC, in our town, which has not quite the intentional history but close. But I am in the bleachers cheering them on and doing my best to stay grounded in the Way Life Is. MM

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On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:33 AM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:

North Phoenix.  Remember the RS-1 worship intro about architecture?  The building is shaped as a wedgeblade and the front is floor to ceiling windows looking out on the world.  Wedgeblade instead of a cross.

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Jim Wiegel  

“That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis

401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353

623-363-3277

jfwiegel at yahoo.com

www.partnersinparticipation.com

On Thursday, January 31, 2019, 12:29:54 PM MST, Linda and Milan Hamilton <lindaandmilan at gmail.com> wrote:

Well that was a trip back to some good old 20th century grounding. A church actually basing it’s life on RS1 and evolving as a “social pioneer.” Where is Shadow Rock church?

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On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:25 AM, John C via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Thanks much, Jim. A fine 30” dialogue between ministers relative to foundational operating images of Shadow Rock Church then in 1970s and today.

Notice that the wedge blade still stands.

John and Lynda C.

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Subject: [Oe List ...] Some reflections from Shadow Rock Church -- one of the founders was interviewed recently

Our Covenant:
We covenant one with another to be that sensitive and responsive part of human society which perceives and responds to God’s newest thrust in the midst of history. The uniqueness and greatness of every life is radically affirmed. Our task together demands a comprehensive view of life, always pointed intentionally to the future. Our life together involves us individually and corporately in study and worship, always maintaining a proper balance between proclamation of the Word about life with the deeds which make life good. Those activities which eliminate age barriers, cut across religious dogma, reduce cultural parochialisms, and engage secular people with life’s ultimate possibilities will be worthy of our best efforts.

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Jim Wiegel  

“That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky."  Nikos Kazantzakis

401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 

623-363-3277

jfwiegel at yahoo.com

www.partnersinparticipation.com

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