[Oe List ...] Man on Fire

Sun Dec 30 10:22:31 PST 2018

Here in the UK I tried to get it through the Independent Lens link  and
couldn't because of zoning restrictions.  Any advice?  I could watch the
trailer.

On Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 20:11 Sherwood Shankland via OE <
oe at lists.wedgeblade.net wrote:

> How about an old fashioned conference call or Zoom conference…
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> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> *On Behalf Of *Joan via OE
> *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2018 12:19 PM
> *To:* oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> *Cc:* Joan <jfknutson at aol.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Man on Fire
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> And besides, it takes time to gain courage and insight before I could say
> something to Charles and his family after such a profound event.  Joan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Gilles via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: OE Listserve <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Jack Gilles <jackcgilles at gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 7:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Man on Fire
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> It won’t work because the mind needs to hear other answers to enrich the
> imagination and the group energy swirl. I guess you could lead it by asking
> people to answer just to themselves for levels 1 and 2, but not share until
> levels 3 and 4.
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> Jack
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> On Dec 24, 2018, at 06:22, James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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> Zoe and all . . .  Your comment finally caught my attention:  "Sorry the
> art form conversation didn't work.  Would have been much more helpful than
> straight to reflections.  Thanks for setting it up and providing the
> impetus. Maybe next time."
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> You may have hit upon a significant unmet challenge -- in the world of the
> internet and social media -- the constant stream of information and
> immediate reflection -- there seems to be no method, equivalent to an
> artform conversation, to get beneath the immediate swirl.  Hmmm, how to
> invent this . . .
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> Jim Wiegel
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> When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no
> doubt.  "But that is not what great ships are built for."   Clarissa
> Pinkola Estes
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> On Dec 23, 2018, at 10:36, Zoe Barley via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
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> Marshall
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> Sorry the art form conversation didn't work.  Would have been much more
> helpful than straight to reflections.  Thanks for setting it up and
> providing the impetus. Maybe next time.
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> Zoe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "W. J. via OE"
> Sent: Dec 21, 2018 3:31 PM
> To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> Cc: "W. J."
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Man on Fire
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> Colleagues, if you would like to refer to my gestalt of movie conversation
> questions, check out the attached .pdf.
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> Maybe you will be inspired to share your further reflections on *Man on
> Fire*.
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> The questions I would hope to get to in my personal reflections are here:
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>    - *What would you say to Charles if you had the opportunity to
>    intervene?*
>    - *What would you say to Charles' family members after his death?*
>    - *What does Charles' intentional death mean to you personally? and in
>    the context of our life together in the Order?*
>    - *What is the 'message' of the film for you?*
>    - *What do you see as the significance for American culture of
>    broadcasting the film on PBS?*
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> Hope these are helpful. Please feel free to share your reflections with us.
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> And add your own questions!
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> Marshall
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> On Friday, December 21, 2018, 4:41:37 PM EST, Ellie Stock via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> Scenes:  the desolate parking lot, driving to the parking lot, family
> narrations--the book with the photo of his being on fire, the two women
> talking--one who witnessed Charles immolation and the one with the tattoos
> who thought the community should examine its racism, the good ole' boys in
> the shop
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> Ellie Stock
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jann McGuire via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Jann McGuire <jannmcguire at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2018 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Man on Fire
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> The scenes that stay with me are in the store in Grand Saline where the
> four men in front play dominos and the owner collects hats and pictures of
> deceased towns men on a shelf in the back. I have a lot more to say, but
> will honor the art form method.
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> Jann McGuire
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> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:50 AM Margaret Aiseayew via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> Several scenes deeply impacted me.  I was blown away by what seemed to be
> obvious still existent racism in the newspaper editor and the chamber of
> commerce sort of representative.  It was as if you could see their blinders
> thickening as they declared their justifications.  There were many more.
> The last scenes of the pep rally tore me apart.  Seeing the fire so clearly
> as the flag bearers were twirling.  It felt so lonely, to feel like the
> only person behind the flag seeing through.
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> Margaret
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> *From:* OE [.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *W. J. via OE
> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 8:42 AM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community
> *Cc:* W. J.
> *Subject:* [Oe List ...] Man on Fire
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> Obviously, it's the 'wrong' time of year, when PBS could slip in something
> totally 'out of character' with the holiday season without much fanfare or
> public response.
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> But for those of us who knew and respected Charles as a colleague and
> friend, this film was hard to miss. And very hard to see. At least for me.
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> I am struck by the absence of any reference to the film here, let alone
> commentary.
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> So let's have a movie conversation!
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> Starting with, "What scene in the film stayed with you?"
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> Your turn, folks.
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> And on top of this tragedy, try to have a very Merry Christmas! If you
> can. With a long government shutdown about to happen.
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> Too bad we can't shut down Mr. Trump and his Twitter feed.
>
> Marshall
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> You can view 'Man on Fire' here for free on-line through January 1:
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> Man on Fire | Independent Lens
> <https://www.pbs.org/video/man-on-fire-exakee/>
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> Herewith, in case you missed it, is the
> DIRECTOR’S STATEMENT
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> On one level, “Man on Fire” is an investigation into the human spirit. As
> Charles Moore said in his “suicide” letter, “Our human race is impressed
> most of all with innocent suffering, and is moved significantly by little
> else. It isn’t important that I be remembered, but that someone cared
> enough to give up everything for the sake of others.” These words hold
> truth for us as a society, yet I, and others, question why someone chose
> this extreme measure to get our attention. I believe everyone has a piece
> of Moore in them, whether they are aware of it or not. This yearning to do
> more, to help others, to sacrifice for the larger good, compels our
> humanity. So when someone like Moore comes around, at least on the surface,
> we find ourselves awestruck, riddled with contradicting emotions. On one
> hand, we see the goodness in Moore, the love of humanity that compelled his
> actions; yet, on the other hand, the pain of his death overwhelms us too.
> This complexity was compounded with questions that others were asking in
> and around Grand Saline: Why did he do it? Is racism still in Grand Saline?
> Did he actually change anything? These questions were the seeds we planted,
> and through the process of filming, nurtured, in order to give some
> semblance of resolve for such an extreme act. Unfortunately (but also quite
> naturally), the answers to these questions are not so “black and white.”
> Thus, I hope this film inspires others to also ask these questions and
> sparks a real conversation on Moore’s death and the reality of racism.
> Inevitably, some people will write off Moore as crazy, using facts such as
> “we got a black president” (a quote from the film) to claim that racism
> doesn‘t exist anymore. However, I believe the answers are more complicated
> than that. “Man on Fire” uses Moore’s self-immolation as a vehicle to
> explore this small, mostly white town known for its racism. Moore’s death
> thus becomes the means to scratch beneath the surface of Grand Saline. The
> film captures the reality of small town Texas, illustrating Friday night
> football games, rodeos, homecoming parades, skating rinks, flea market
> sales, local businesses, and more. Nonetheless, the town of Grand Saline is
> just a microcosm for the rural south and inevitably America as a whole.
>
> Joel Fendelman, Director of “Man on Fire”
> Links in the message (1)
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> Man on Fire | Independent Lens
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